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#25,953
rikberry31 said:
Ok Truth Denier, how many Americans is Iran responsible for killing and maiming over the past fifty years? Almost every IED in that time had Iranian fingerprints all over it. Beirut bombing. October 7th.
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You want to place most of the blame from all of the IEDs on Iran? no blame for Afghanistan/al Qaeda? or Iraq/ISIS? just going to act like 20 years of history didn't really happen, to just blame Iran. all of those were cases where we shouldn't have been wherever "there" was.

241 in Beirut, ~46 in the October 7th attacks. hardly thousands, and certainly not over 47 years.

you don't want to play the collateral dead game, a lot more of those bodies are going to circle back to US effing up rather than Iran.
 
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#25,954
rikberry31 said:
You just said it. Everything has been a complete failure according to you, that's called losing.
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I put a distinction on failure and losing. I see them as different.

If I come in 2nd in a race I lost, I didn't fail.
If I don't keep a promise I failed, I didn't lose.

failure is usually in the face of either non-competition or no effort. if you try and don't succeed against someone else you lose. failure can be a part of losing and winning. we can fail to take advantage of a turnover but win the game.

you really need to stop trying to twist what I am saying into things they are not.
 
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#25,956
sonofUT62 said:
It’s AI but there are Real numbers there that tell a completely different story then what you’re vomiting up. I know that the President figures percentages differently than others so maybe there’s a disconnect in the math.
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Funny you don't actually mention them. Simple, are the Chinese out of the Panama Canal? Yes. Are they out of Venezuela? Yes. Are the out of Iran. Yes. Are they still getting oil from Iran or Venezuela or Iran? No. Have the Chinese bought significantly more oil and natural gas from the U.S. lately? Yes. Are the Chinese much more dependant on the U.S. for their energy and supply chain? Yes.
Show me the "numbers."
 
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#25,957
utvolpj said:
And the US economy is ....?
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The only blemish on the U.S. economy now is the price of oil and that is very temporary. Those ships loaded with oil start getting out of the Gulf and the price of oil will drop like a rock. The rest of the economic numbers are spectacular. When the Fed cuts interest rates in mid May, look out.
 
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#25,958
rikberry31 said:
Funny you don't actually mention them. Simple, are the Chinese out of the Panama Canal? Yes. Are they out of Venezuela? Yes. Are the out of Iran. Yes. Are they still getting oil from Iran or Venezuela or Iran? No. Have the Chinese bought significantly more oil and natural gas from the U.S. lately? Yes. Are the Chinese much more dependant on the U.S. for their energy and supply chain? Yes.
Show me the "numbers."
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They’re the ones that aren’t letters or punctuation.
 
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LouderVol said:
You want to place most of the blame from all of the IEDs on Iran? no blame for Afghanistan/al Qaeda? or Iraq/ISIS? just going to act like 20 years of history didn't really happen, to just blame Iran. all of those were cases where we shouldn't have been wherever "there" was.

241 in Beirut, ~46 in the October 7th attacks. hardly thousands, and certainly not over 47 years.

you don't want to play the collateral dead game, a lot more of those bodies are going to circle back to US effing up rather than Iran.
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How many U.S. servicemen were killed or maimed by IEDs in Iraq and Afghanistan? Where did the tech and materials come from? IRAN.
Iran has been responsible for THOUSANDS of dead and wounded Americans. Buddy this is history. You have a good story though, tell it to Reader's Digest.
 
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#25,960
rikberry31 said:
The only blemish on the U.S. economy now is the price of oil and that is very temporary. Those ships loaded with oil start getting out of the Gulf and the price of oil will drop like a rock. The rest of the economic numbers are spectacular. When the Fed cuts interest rates in mid May, look out.
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Yeah that's simply not correct. Massive govt spending and AI are what's keeping this afloat. But enjoy it while you can I guess
 
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rikberry31 said:
How many U.S. servicemen were killed or maimed by IEDs in Iraq and Afghanistan? Where did the tech and materials come from? IRAN.
Iran has been responsible for THOUSANDS of dead and wounded Americans. Buddy this is history. You have a good story though, tell it to Reader's Digest.
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How many would be hurt or killed if we didn't make the massive f up of going to Iraq and making them targets? How many innocent lives were lost because of the US intervention in the ME for the past 25yrs? You complain about thousands while ignoring millions. That's the true history
 
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rikberry31 said:
How many U.S. servicemen were killed or maimed by IEDs in Iraq and Afghanistan? Where did the tech and materials come from? IRAN.
Iran has been responsible for THOUSANDS of dead and wounded Americans. Buddy this is history. You have a good story though, tell it to Reader's Digest.
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I would love to see the break down on the tech and material.

my understanding was a lot of the IEDs in both Afghanistan and Iraq were old weapon stockpiles. some that we had given them. there isn't a lot of "tech" involved. and at least with the Afghans its pretty clear that we taught and supplied them to fight the Soviets, its naive as all get out to to think that the Afghanis completely forgot how to make IEDs, and completely got rid of their old stockpiles and were 100% reliant on Iranian stuff.
 
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rikberry31 said:
Did we support the English in the Falklands war? We had a lot less interests there than the Europeans have in Iran. They should just admit that they are incapable of really being of any help and they don't want to upset their troublesome muslim populations.
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European leaders are getting their resume ready to lead the European union. That's all they're doing. They the don't care about their countrymen. Why else would they allow their country to be demolished by 3rd world fanatics
 
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#25,966
rikberry31 said:
The only blemish on the U.S. economy now is the price of oil and that is very temporary. Those ships loaded with oil start getting out of the Gulf and the price of oil will drop like a rock. The rest of the economic numbers are spectacular. When the Fed cuts interest rates in mid May, look out.
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Our national debt now is more than our GDP. None of the other numbers are spectacular
 
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LouderVol said:
I put a distinction on failure and losing. I see them as different.

If I come in 2nd in a race I lost, I didn't fail.
If I don't keep a promise I failed, I didn't lose.

failure is usually in the face of either non-competition or no effort. if you try and don't succeed against someone else you lose. failure can be a part of losing and winning. we can fail to take advantage of a turnover but win the game.

you really need to stop trying to twist what I am saying into things they are not.
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Ok, are we losing this war? Answer: No. If you think we are, by what measure?
 
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utvolpj said:
Yeah that's simply not correct. Massive govt spending and AI are what's keeping this afloat. But enjoy it while you can I guess
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Ehhh, that's not exactly true. Massive govt spending is keeping the GDP numbers up (which has been the case for well over a decade) and AI isn't impacting the economy as a whole very much at this point.
 
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hog88 said:
Ehhh, that's not exactly true. Massive govt spending is keeping the GDP numbers up (which has been the case for well over a decade) and AI isn't impacting the economy as a whole very much at this point.
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The investment in AI infrastructure is having a huge effect on GDP
 
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rikberry31 said:
Ok, are we losing this war? Answer: No. If you think we are, by what measure?
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I don't think I ever said we were losing the war. Pretty sure that is just another claim you made up.

The comparison I make is back to Afghanistan. We never lost there, but we didn't achieve our goals. and it cost lives and money. so no I don't think we are "losing", but winning is hard to see.
 
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sonofUT62 said:
1- he earned some of those charges
2-he won the election because the Dems got caught lying about Biden’s condition. That’s no positive reflection on him.
3- he pushed through and won the election because it was possibly the alternative to federal prison.
4- time will tell how close he actually came to losing his life in Pennsylvania
5 he’s a spineless coward
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6- The other choice was horrendous.
7- There are lots of people in this world that are easily conned. And make no mistake, Trump is an expert in that field. His entire career has been built on it.
 
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norrislakevol said:
Really? The dude that had all kinds of charges thrown at him and just gave them the middle finger and won re-election? The dude that came within an inch of getting his life snuffed out in Butler and kept doing rallies? They guy that actually had the stones to hit Iran and devastate their military while all the past presidents just talked?

You can call Trump many things, but calling him a coward doesn't hold water.
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Two words: bone spurs.
 
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#25,974
utvolpj said:
Yeah that's simply not correct. Massive govt spending and AI are what's keeping this afloat. But enjoy it while you can I guess
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Not correct. Private and foreign investment, deregulation of many key industries including oil, very healthy jobs environment, dumping DEI and the climate crap, and ditching CAFE standards to name some.
The only real increases in spending over the last administration are debt interest and increased entitlement costs. The democrats insisted on at least maintaining the Biden era spending levels or they would shut the government down.
 
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#25,975
utvolpj said:
The investment in AI infrastructure is having a huge effect on GDP
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I'm not disputing that but the biggest impact on the GDP numbers is govt spending. But since govt spending is is around 40% of the reported GDP numbers it still dwarfs AI infrastructure spending.

The economy as a whole is muddling along and if this stupid conflict with Iran could get settled I see the ingredients for it to take off.
 
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