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Oh, to be clear, I was describing your actions as messy.

At least you recognize that maybe the PF isn't your cup of tea.
I know you were but you are accepting things as true that aren’t with a whole lot being intentionally left out. Like believing everything Trump or a terrorist group tells you and accepting it as accurate.
I’m just not one to go spend an hour looking at profiles on different sites and copying and pasting to try to win over internet friends. Definitely not my cup o tea.
 
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I’m just not wired for mouthy fools who stir bs with countless posters like he’s done all day today with others and here again tonight while claiming someone else is always to blame. Can’t help it. Tried to move away from it a couple times then see a bunch of bs and saying im the stalker who always escalates? It really doesn’t get more oblivious and mental than that. He’s legit sick.
The ‘Net game may have passed me by since that’s what it’s become over the years and coming to politics forum was probably a mistake.
Tonight I didn't even bring it up, multiple people asked me. Man you are whiny
 
Devil's in the details...

We gonna blow up Iranian oil tankers in the Strait of Hormuz that don't stop for our "blockade" and create an ecological disaster? And how much higher would oil go a barrel... $200-$250?

And how would Iran react to such violence? Probable lob a bunch of missiles at our allies' soft targets like desalinization plants and oil refineries.

How will our allies react to that?

Is that the new "winning"?

Dumb Donald doubling down demented dicktardness.

25A 47 now.
You would rather have Iran win
 
"Blocking the strait would also raise the risks of diplomatic confrontations with large powers such as China if the US sought to halt any of their vessels transiting the strait. Trump has invested substantial political capital in his summit next month with Chinese leader Xi Jinping, which has already been postponed once because of the war.

A US blockade halting all ships that agreed to Iran’s terms of passage might also harm allies like Japan and those in Europe that Trump has already alienated with the war and which rely heavily on Gulf oil supplies.

Small wonder that some Trump critics doubt his latest attempt to wrest control of the war will work, seeing it as another example of erratic leadership featuring shifting rationales for the conflict, grave threats and climb downs.

“I don’t understand how blockading the strait is going to somehow push the Iranians into opening it. I don’t get the connection there,” Sen. Mark Warner, a Virginia Democrat, said on “State of the Union.”
 
So how exactly does this work?

China is the largest buyer of Iranian oil. Per CENTCOM (below), we're now going to block all ships carrying Iranian oil that exit the Strait. Is our military going to board or fire upon Chinese-owned oil tankers that ignore our blockade? How is China going to react to acts of war by the US Navy on its merchant vessels? What if China sends its Navy to escort and protect its merchant vessels?

Imagine if the Chinese Navy started intercepting, stopping and boarding US oil tankers... Anywhere.

Trump has NOT thought this through. This reeks of desperation and has disaster written all over it.

"The blockade will be enforced impartially against vessels of all nations entering or departing Iranian ports and coastal areas, including all Iranian ports on the Arabian ‌Gulf ⁠and Gulf of Oman. CENTCOM forces will not impede freedom of navigation for vessels transiting the Strait of ⁠Hormuz to and from non-Iranian ports," CENTCOM wrote in a statement on social ⁠media."
 
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Let's ask them.

@n_huffhines
@MontyPython

Do you guys want the US to fail? If so, do you want the country to fail as a whole, or do you just want the current operations in Iran to fail? What does failure look like to you? At what point would it give either of you a dopamine rush?
Trump has unwisely placed our country in an unwinnable war. His options now range from bad (illegally blockading Iran and risking war with China) to even worse (illegally attacking civilian targets in Iran). Iran is in full control of the Strait and there is basically nothing we can do about it short of total war and/or putting boots on the ground in Iran.

Who wants that?

Solution. Negotiate a truce with Iran, swallow our pride and GTFO out of the war we created in the Middle East.

We should have never been in this situation in the first place. Israel duped Trump into thinking this would be quick and painless. The blame falls squarely on Trump's shoulders.
 
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Trump has unwisely placed our country in an unwinnable war. His options now range from bad (illegally blockading Iran) to worse (illegally attacking civilian targets in Iran). Iran is in full control of the Strait and there is basically nothing we can do about it short of total war and/or putting boots on the ground in Iran.

Who wants that?

Solution. Negotiate a truce with Iran, swallow our pride and GTFO out of the war we created in the Middle East.

We should have never been in this situation in the first place. Israel duped Trump into thinking this would be quick and painless. The blame falls squarely on Trump's shoulders.
Unless pride is the name of Clintons pecker, Trump ain't swallowing.
 
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"Iran’s exiled Prince Reza Pahlavi told Sweden’s parliament on Monday that Iran’s future would ultimately be decided by its people, not by foreign forces.

“Whatever the outcome of military operations, Iran’s fate will not be determined by foreign forces, but by the people of Iran,” he said, adding that, “The fight in Iran is not between reformists and hardliners, but between occupiers and freedom-seeking actors.”

Pahlavi said the war that mattered was the Islamic Republic’s war against the Iranian people, adding that it had intensified every day and that no ceasefire had taken hold in that conflict.

He said the Islamic Republic had never acted like a normal government since its founding and had projected influence through proxy forces from Beirut to Baghdad and Sanaa.

Referring to internet shutdowns in Iran, he said the authorities had silenced dissenting voices, cut internet access and opened fire on unarmed people, adding that the cost of the crackdown had been catastrophic."

The internet shutdown keeps the Iranian people in the dark about the extent of damage the regime has suffered. It also keeps them from communicating locations of hiding places.
 
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Agreed, and I'm of the opinion at least Nagasaki was unwarranted. Personally I think both were. But that enrages people for some reason.
I'll bet you'd sing different tune if you were a soldier or the family of a soldier who was preparing to invade mainland Japan. It is easy to spend other people's money and lives, if yours was on the line I bet you'd think differently.
You can afford to hold your luxury beliefs and virtue signal.
 
Forgive me for overestimating your reading comprehension skills.

She literally said there was no sign they were trying to rebuild their capabilities currently, so any excavation work at the site, she does not believe contributes to an attempt to rebuild their nuclear weapons capabilities.
What else exactly were they doing at that "site" that would warrant reconstruction. Maybe they wanted to have cetrifuges to make cotton candy.
 
Cheap, additive pumped ingredients from Sysco and US Foods tend to have longer shelf lives. Everything's frozen. If you have a national chain level of systems in place, it can still work.

You just have to rely on people showing up in droves with low standards and wallets that can afford to eat your overpriced garbage.

Luckily that's what the small town hayseed is for.
No wonder you're so daggum stupid. You're a city boy and probably a yankee.
 
I can see that. I wish I knew what exactly what they were doing with their nuclear program and uranium. From what I’ve read there’s one reason to have 60% enriched uranium. An Iranian terrorist regime having a nuke can’t happen.
Presidents and other officials for many years have said if they caught Iran trying to go nuclear that they would make them pay.
Are we lying about what Iran was doing?
Is Iran lying about their nuclear capabilities?
I don’t know.
I can't recall a time when Iran has lied, not. They have never complied with any agreement ever.
 
If Pakistan and india havent nukes each other yet, I'm not sure how much a threat nukes are. The MAD logic leaves them I'll suited as an offensive weapon, or at least the consequences on your own country of a nuke would have to outweigh the benefits.

Mostly this seems to be cover for israel to "clear" out lebanon, an endeavor of dubious benefit to them as well.
 
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I still say a desperate Trump and Incompetent Pete will either nuke, or attempt to nuke Iran. I just hope our military will refuse to implement the order.
The damage this Putin puppet and his enablers isn't finished yet. Hail MAGA!!
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It's like 20 miles wide at its most narrow point. Iran will swarm the hell out of any naval vessel, which will overload the defensive measures, with drones and missles (shocking they have way more left then previously reported) and will sink our several hundred million dollar destroyers using a ton of $35,000 drones. It's why we have stayed out. And will continue to stay out during this blockade. Got to take the surrounding islands to ensure our ships are safe. That requires ground troops
They do not fire drones and missie from the islands. As far as putting boots on the ground, we already have.
 

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