Iran

[MOOOOONEY]

Hillary- war, good….left silence. She’s so bold.
Trump- war, disastrous….faux rage. Orange man bad.

Do you realize that you can call both out?

There’s a lot of posters on VN that do exactly that.

The argument of what about is played out.

If you wanna be like the folks that defended everything Hillary and are now calling out Trump then go ahead.

 

[Smokey123]

Everyone goes against all of that.

Is it too late to elect Ron Paul?

 

[Swiftybaby]

That’s why the left is triggered. Some people talk about it, and some take care of it. Trump disrupted the status quo.

You’re gagging is getting louder. Slow down a minute and breathe

 

[Orangeslice13]

We are simply bad people if we allow this.

Allow it?
Everyone up there is secretly on board with it.
There are absolutely no efforts….beyond sound bites….to stop it.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Is it too late to elect Ron Paul?

Do we believe he wouldn’t sell out too?

 

[n_huffhines]

Are you telling me that we didn't sell parts to Iran? We sure did, at inflated prices, and used the proceed to fund the Contras, great for taxpayers. Much better than what was done for Ukraine.

That's not what I said and the rest of this is foolish.

 

[allstar34]

He's using ChatGPT to write is papers in high school, and getting away with it according to him, which makes me infinitely glad that I will be out of the business of hiring people when he makes it to the workforce.

I'll never understand why Teacher won't require a paper to be written in class.
Give the kids 3-5 days of class time to write a report. They wouldn't spend much more time then that if they did the paper at home legitimately.
3-5 days is approx. 4-6 hours of a class period I'd think? Should be plenty of time.

 

[Swiftybaby]

Hillary- war, good….left silence. She’s so bold.
Trump- war, disastrous….faux rage. Orange man bad.

Hilary was 10 years ago and that seems like a lifetime at this point. Anytime you magas are called on bull$**** it’s always “but but but Biden and Hilary blah blah blah” more gargling and slurping sounds blah

 

[Matt2496]

You realize that secondary deaths from destroying civilian infrastructure is a guarantee, and it can be in the thousands, especially if Trump's actions match his rhetoric. This isn't something where the bombs explode X number of bodies and then it's over. Hospital equpiment won't work anymore. Some people won't be able to even get to the hospital. Etc. We are telling them we are setting out to destroy their civilization. They are treating that as a real threat, tho you may not be.

Those people there have been convinced and decided to go make an attempt at protecting their civilization and the thousands that would die secondary deaths if it's destroyed.

The human shield stuff is complete ********. Yeah, Hamas shouldn't do it. Neither should we. Neither should Israel. We all do it.

of course I’m treating it as a real threat, hence my post earlier. Also, think about the impact on sanitation services/access to water. There could be many secondary deaths from this. It’s unacceptable from Trump.

 

[Majors]

Do you realize that you can call both out?

There’s a lot of posters on VN that do exactly that.

The argument of what about is played out.

If you wanna be like the folks that defended everything Hillary and are now calling out Trump then go ahead.

Thanks for the unsolicited permission.

 

[Smokey123]

Do we believe he wouldn’t sell out too?

I kind of lean towards you’re not allowed to be put in a real position of power unless you do what you’re told

 

[Swiftybaby]

What exactly is that situation? The fact that we are fixing a problem that could collect Social Security? We're sticking it to China? Maybe it's that we haven't had enough casualties.
You're real problem is that you hate America and probably your daddy.

Sticking it to china? LOL china is gonna china and be just fine with or without us interfernce

 

[DuckInAPen]

That's not a bad thing. They said the same thing about Reagan and George S. Patton. Both were azz kickers.

Reagan's composure and restraint stand as a silent condemnation of Trump's madness.

 

[Majors]

Hilary was 10 years ago and that seems like a lifetime at this point. Anytime you magas are called on bull$**** it’s always “but but but Biden and Hilary blah blah blah” more gargling and slurping sounds blah

Did you stutter on a message board? On VN there is no expiration date on what said by politicians. I don’t make the rules.

 

[n_huffhines]

Neither of my parents voted for Trump in the primaries, they voted for him in the final ballot but he was never their first choice.

You're 14?

Please help me remember that. I don't want to treat you like I treat the 55 year olds who should know better.

You called Iran the #1 sponsor of terrorism. What does that mean if it's not Israel? Israel's government has been committing genocide and running a reign of terror in the form of illegal occupation for decades. Look at what's happening in the West Bank. Isreal is using illegal Israeli settlers to intimidate and force out the Palestinians. They're using the law to bulldoze their homes and buildings. The settlers are setting fire to their crops. Etc.

As the leader of the free world, we should not be attacking Iran for arming themselves and aligning with Israel to pay for their reign of terror. These two things are completely inconsistent.

 

[DuckInAPen]

remember a bunch of civilians at the southern border is war. but bombing the crap out of another nation for weeks on end is not war.

To clarify, it's not war on our part -- they've been waging war against us for 47 years.

 

[n_huffhines]

of course I’m treating it as a real threat, hence my post earlier. Also, think about the impact on sanitation services/access to water. There could be many secondary deaths from this. It’s unacceptable from Trump.

The accusation against Hamas (and the US and Israel) is that they put themselves among civilians to protect themselves at the risk of the civilians. This looks like civilians who have decided to put themselves at risk to protect civilians.

 

[Vol8188]

Absurd claims?????? Joke or not you do not as the President of the United States say anything about ending a civilization permanently. He is openly "joking" about nukes. Except who knows if he's joking he's completely delusional.

Not claiming Trump is joking. I’m stating the stance that if Trump doesn’t do anything it’s “TACO” and if he does it’s only because “he gave in to public pressure” is a joke

Also, what was the comment about nukes you’re talking about

 

[Vol8188]

He shouldn't make these public, unhinged claims. It shows his weakness

I don't know anyone who will be disappointed if he fails to go through with his war crimes.

What weakness? I agree his speech should be more controlled. But no I don’t see ultimatums as weakness.

 

[Vol8188]

Let's put these "absurd claims" aside and just try and observe the patterns exhibited by Trump when it comes to global diplomacy. He has put himself in a damned if you do/don't situation. You can't really deny that.

I don’t think he has. Continue to increase pressure until you get the desired outcome.

 

[Vol8188]

I don't feel for any people who won't rise up against tyranny. Upside is Iran's military infrastructure is pretty much wrecked now so they might stand a better chance.

Props to you for being honest about the last line. There’s plenty in here who believe the Iranian government/military is thriving

 

[05_never_again]

I don’t think he has. Continue to increase pressure until you get the desired outcome.

Has Iran even moved closer to his desired outcome?

Still think this ends by him stating that he got "regime change" and massively reduced their ballistic missile/nuclear capability, walks away, and says he "won," but with an indefinite increased risk premium at the SoH (i.e., Iran sets up a toll booth). That still wouldn't be a win by Trump's own criteria he mentioned at the start of the war.

 

[Vol8188]

Has Iran even moved closer to his desired outcome?

Hard to say. Neither you nor I know exactly what is going on with negotiations. But given the state of Iran, I’d imagine so.

Why do you not believe they would?

Still think this ends by him stating that he got "regime change" and massively reduced their ballistic missile/nuclear capability, walks away, and says he "won," but with an indefinite increased risk premium at the SoH (i.e., Iran sets up a toll booth). That still wouldn't be a win by Trump's own criteria he mentioned at the start of the war.

 

[n_huffhines]

When was the last time Congress declared war? He isn't even in violation of the War Powers Act.

No imminent threat. Wasn't an emergency. No war powers. His own intelligence said no imminent threat. People in his admin said no imminent threat. Congressmen who are on committees where they are the first to hear intel about imminent threats never heard there was an imminent threat.

 

[Ttucke11]

No imminent threat. Wasn't an emergency. No war powers. His own intelligence said no imminent threat. People in his admin said no imminent threat. Congressmen who are on committees where they are the first to hear intel about imminent threats never heard there was an imminent threat.

I mean Rubio already told us all why...