Iran

[Redleg68]

KInda like going to the doctor and being told you have a tumor and it is growing. He recommends surgery followed by chemotherapy. You can say, "no thanks, doc. That may cause problems. I'll just wait and see how it plays out."

That seems to have been our strategy, just wait out this regime as they grow stronger and hope they'll change course and get better. Now, the solution is more difficult and the outcomes more dire.

You are correct and that is the true definition of sticking your head in the sand and thinking that your butt isn't showing.

 

[EasternVol]

Ryan Grim, paid for and bought by George Soros.

Is he wrong?

 

[GBO2011]

You said everyone then post a couple of links you found quoting Dems. Not sure you really got the point

The bombing of Libya by Obama was wildly unpopular at the time. I was around for it. Heck we probably have a thread here on it

Well quite frankly it’s hypocritical as hell, did some more reading and found this

Libyan bombing 'unconstitutional', Republicans warn Obama

US public opinion split as Republicans claim Obama's use of military force in Libya is 'an affront to our constitution'

www.theguardian.com

Very hypocritical that we condemned the Dems for it and then get frustrated when they condemn us for Iran. I looked at a chart for one of my political science classes and it showed how we have voted closer to the party and less to our party beliefs if it’s the other party doing what we support. My judgement was skewed I admit since I was largely going off of what Fox and my dad said the day we bombed Iran. That’s my fault

 

[NorthDallas40]

I’m pretty firm in my assessment, thanks. Good luck in your “golden” years, I’m sure they’ll be excellent now that you’ve pilfered a pension in support of efforts you now deem terrible.

Oh I’m sure you are firm. You’ve got it all figured out

 

[rikberry31]

Well that explains so much.

Son, I think the same when I listen to you.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Think of it as being called "libtard" by someone who can spell (in English and perhaps in German too).

Oh it’s been a breath of fresh air. This dude is one serious Inspector Clouseau

 

[EasternVol]

https://www.politico.com/story/2011/03/senate-dems-defend-obama-on-libya-051831

Pelosi defends contrasting stances on Trump Iran strikes vs Obama Libya | Fox News

Pelosi defended her contrasting stances on Trump's Iran strikes vs. Obama's Libya attacks, calling them 'completely different' despite parallel circumstances.

www.foxnews.com

https://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/olc/opinions/2011/04/31/authority-military-use-in-libya.pdf

If you want some evidence there ya go

Democrats defending a Democrat isn't close to meaning everyone supported it. You have a lot to learn.

 

[rikberry31]

Cool just keep that in mind if things ever hit the fan here. You’d understand that’s just the way it is. People have to die for profits of the rich. Bombing them to oblivion killing innocent people is a weird way of helping them achieve freedom.

Did you ever see what we did to Japan or Germany? I don’t remember did anyone die? That was the last time we fought a war to win it untll now. That’s what it’s like, war is all hell and there ain’t nothing you can do about it. Surgery is bloody.

 

[EasternVol]

One “man’s” “war crimes” is another man’s “not being a little bitch and exerting your will over the enemy.”

Walter Mitty, it's you!

 

[lawgator1]

Well quite frankly it’s hypocritical as hell, did some more reading and found this

Libyan bombing 'unconstitutional', Republicans warn Obama

US public opinion split as Republicans claim Obama's use of military force in Libya is 'an affront to our constitution'

www.theguardian.com

Very hypocritical that we condemned the Dems for it and then get frustrated when they condemn us for Iran. I looked at a chart for one of my political science classes and it showed how we have voted closer to the party and less to our party beliefs if it’s the other party doing what we support. My judgement was skewed I admit since I was largely going off of what Fox and my dad said the day we bombed Iran. That’s my fault

Its not a question of party politics, or at least shouldn't be, though of course that happens quite a bit. I'm still open to being convinced at some point that this was wise, or even necessary. Its just that Trump and the administration keep moving the goal.posts, its tough to take them seriously.

 

[GBO2011]

Democrats defending a Democrat isn't close to meaning everyone supported it. You have a lot to learn.

If you mean understanding how shallow and petty politicians really are, then yes I do

 

[TrumpedUpVol]

Walter Mitty, it's you!

That’d be a touch more characteristic of you, saving America with nary a bullet fired.

For those of us who prefer to live in reality, we’re partial to destroying Iran. Hope that helps!

 

[Redleg68]

Its not a question of party politics, or at least shouldn't be, though of course that happens quite a bit. I'm still open to being convinced at some point that this was wise, or even necessary. Its just that Trump and the administration keep moving the goal.posts, its tough to take them seriously.

Like most controversial things, only history will tell and unfortunately that will probably depend upon who writes it.

 

[NashVol11]

Did you ever see what we did to Japan or Germany? I don’t remember did anyone die? That was the last time we fought a war to win it untll now. That’s what it’s like, war is all hell and there ain’t nothing you can do about it. Surgery is bloody.

Maybe not the best example given that surgeons and their teams take a lot of care to limit blood loss

 

[Redleg68]

Laura Loomer had us arrest these people and they may not even be related to Soleimani...

Well maybe they are here illegally.

 

[NashVol11]

Well maybe they are here illegally.

We made them "illegal" by revoking their visas because of a relation to Soleimani that may not even exist

 

[TrumpedUpVol]

We made them "illegal" by revoking their visas because of a relation to Soleimani that may not even exist

Better safe than sorry. Auf wiedersehen!

 

[rikberry31]

Maybe not the best example given that surgeons and their teams take a lot of care to limit blood loss

Lame

 

[EasternVol]

That’d be a touch more characteristic of you, saving America with nary a bullet fired.

For those of us who prefer to live in reality, we’re partial to destroying Iran. Hope that helps!

You must mean living in delusion. I'm no fan of the regime there but attacking them like we have isn't in our interests.

 

[EasternVol]

If you mean understanding how shallow and petty politicians really are, then yes I do

You have more to learn than I thought.

 

[n_huffhines]

I don't disagree, but unfortunately that hasn't happened in any of the wars or military actions since 1945 and there has been quite a few since then.

The unfortunate part is that we went to war, not that we didn't vote to go to war, lol.

 

[GBO2011]

You have more to learn than I thought.

Makes sense, I’m 14, I’m still trying to get a better understanding of political science and everything. But I have my core beliefs set in stone which is more than a lot of others that are my age

 

[Coy53175]

And some will say we should back down and not fight these savages.

Two years ago

 

[utvolpj]

Makes sense, I’m 14, I’m still trying to get a better understanding of political science and everything. But I have my core beliefs set in stone which is more than a lot of others that are my age

Sorry but no one's core beliefs are set at 14. You don't know enough

 

[Redleg68]

We made them "illegal" by revoking their visas because of a relation to Soleimani that may not even exist

I believe that there was at less 1500 Iranians that we know about, that crossed illegally and possibly thousands that we did not know about. I believe the statement was that these Iranians were not related to that dude,