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EasternVol said:
The militias of old aren't the white supremacists of today. Some of them hide behind the militia name but it's not the same origin, organization or function.
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It has more to do with the type of people leading said groups than anything else. Not necessarily the function.

I’m not about any form of supremacy. My concern comes from: What do the civilians have to counter tyranny?
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
And the son has a bigger hard on for the US and Israel than pops did. If I didn’t know better I’d guess we just ploughed into this whole thing without thinking the consequences thru
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I was cautiously optimistic at first that at least something good would come out of this. It became pretty clear they didn’t know what the hell they were doing

People claiming regime change victory the moment Ali was killed are gonna have a hard time spinning this one
 
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Smokey123 said:
I was cautiously optimistic at first that at least something good would come out of this. It became pretty clear they didn’t know what the hell they were doing

People claiming regime change victory the moment Ali was killed are gonna have a hard time spinning this one
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Someone knows what they’re doing. I doubt it’s Trump or anyone in a position who should know what the US taxpayers are getting from this.
 
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KB5252 said:
Then what was all this for if not for regime change? Seems like a huge waste with nothing gained.

And while I agree open ended hostilities can't and shouldn't be sustained I find it disappointing the only "good" thing that may have come from this isn't likely to happen.

Not to mention we leave a regime that will likely do whatever it takes to gain nuclear weapons, and with good cause. Pretty stupid situation we find ourselves

Like I said, what a damn mess.
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For Israel it's to neuter their adversary with us running interference and doing heavy lifting. So far so good for them but it's far from done.
For us the lack of clear reasons and objectives from Trump and Co. make it look like he got suckered in and is making it up as he goes along. The talk of stealing Iran's oil a la Venezuela and choosing their leader is far from possible today, and to try to do either would be monumentally stupid.
 
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adam.vol said:
It has more to do with the type of people leading said groups than anything else. Not necessarily the function.

I’m not about any form of supremacy. My concern comes from: What do the civilians have to counter tyranny?
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Militias into the 1800's at least we're run by the states. I suppose they've evolved into the NG with more federal control.
First line is the ballot. Last resort is our peashooters.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The problem with these sorts of actions is that we go in full of vim and vigor, then it goes kind of sideways with repercussions we did not fully expect, and so we stop short of the final goals because the costs to actually achieve them is higher that we thought.

We declare victory, but by definition its unsatisfying. Its not like a nation formally surrendering on the deck of a ship. This is just a different form of the status quo. And we live with the consequences.
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No plan going in.

No plan going out.

Welcome to the wild, wonderful world of Trump.
 
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