Iran

[MAD]

 

[LSU-SIU]

LOL

I’ve seen you argue that the US targets theocracies for elimination (on behalf of the Jews), that the US enables theocratic revolution by supporting dictators (Shah) and that the US supports theocratic terrorists (ISIS). So when you say “goes after” something, you could mean that something is the desired result we are after or that something is our target for elimination.

The only thing I know for sure is that whatever the US has done, is doing, or will do, it’s the wrong thing in your mind.

No, its pretty simple, stop. The rest has been a huge failure getting people killed for no reason including U.S. military. They meant nothing to anyone out here, apparently. Rinse and repeat the same scam over and over, and over... Its probably different this time.

 

[Vol8188]

No, its pretty simple, stop. The rest has been a huge failure getting people killed for no reason including U.S. military. They meant nothing to anyone out here, apparently. Rinse and repeat the same scam over and over, and over... Its probably different this time.

Just to clarify do you consider Russia’s invasion of Ukraine to be “a huge failure”?

 

[LSU-SIU]

Just to clarify do you consider Russia’s invasion of Ukraine to be “a huge failure”?

Shouldn't have been in there in the first place, maybe it could have been avoided. Either way, shouldn't have been there, its not like any of those people are our friends, see my comments from 2022.

 

[Vol8188]

Shouldn't have been in there in the first place, maybe it could have been avoided. Either way, shouldn't have been there, its not like any of those people are our friends, see my comments from 2022.

Who should not have been there in the first place?

 

[LSU-SIU]

Who should not have been there in the first place?

Sure.

Everyone in ukraine thread were saying the same silly things, until I suggested Trump turn over all the agents names working in the Ukraine and Eastern countries. Basically, all outed themselves. Regardless, the U.S. was supplying them with weapons and the U.S. knew what it was doing.

The Ukrainian are about as much of our friends as the Afghans. Both Ukraine and Europe will pay heavy prices for being "friends".

 

[Vol8188]

Sure.

Everyone in ukraine thread were saying the same silly things, until I suggested Trump turn over all the agents names working in the Ukraine and Eastern countries. Basically, all outed themselves. Regardless, the U.S. was supplying them with weapons and the U.S. knew what it was doing.

The Ukrainian are about as much of our friends as the Afghans. Both Ukraine and Europe will pay heavy prices for being "friends".

You seem to have continually ignored the question.

Was the invasion of Ukraine by Russia “a huge failure” for Russia?

 

[LSU-SIU]

You seem to have continually ignored the question.

Was the invasion of Ukraine by Russia “a huge failure” for Russia?

My guess from 2022, is they will reach most of the objectives - they will pay a heavy price in lives but they are kind of the most independent country in the world at this point.

Its a question for Russians I would imagine but in the end it was always going to be either they collapse or Europe. I think it will be a failure if they don't finish out.

 

[Vol8188]

No, its pretty simple, stop. The rest has been a huge failure getting people killed for no reason including U.S. military. They meant nothing to anyone out here, apparently. Rinse and repeat the same scam over and over, and over... Its probably different this time.

So around 1 million Russian causalities doesn’t count as a “huge failure”? But any level of American loss does?

How exactly does that work?

 

[LSU-SIU]

So around 1 million Russian causalities doesn’t count as a “huge failure”? But any level of American loss does?

How exactly does that work?

They will reach objectives that actually solve issues. America doesn't have a chance as its just throwing U.S. soldiers into a trash bin, which is why we're paying various terrorist groups. Most people figured this out 20 years ago.

 

[Vol8188]

They will reach objectives that actually solve issues. America doesn't have a chance as its just throwing U.S. soldiers into a trash bin, which is why we're paying various terrorist groups. Most people figured this out 20 years ago.

And how exactly are we throwing soldiers into a trash bin? Russia loses more soldiers in a week than we have in 2 decades

 

[LSU-SIU]

And how exactly are we throwing soldiers into a trash bin? Russia loses more soldiers in a week than we have in 2 decades

Because there are no objectives or no realistic objectives for America to actually achieve -- its been this way your whole life. It would seem like if losing is the objective, the U.S. has it down pretty well, no? Most people figured all this nonsense out a long time ago. Dying for reason can be okay, dying for nothing -- not so much.

 

[Vol8188]

Because there are no objectives or no realistic objectives for America to actually achieve -- its been this way your whole life. It would seem like if losing is the objective, the U.S. has it down pretty well, no? Most people figured all this nonsense out a long time ago. Dying for reason can be okay, dying for nothing -- not so much.

Russia loses more people per week than we have in 20 years. Yet the US, not Russia, is “throwing soldiers into a trash bin”.

Keep simping.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Russia loses more people per week than we have in 20 years. Yet the US, not Russia, is “throwing soldiers into a trash bin”.

Keep simping.

The dying is not the problem, dying for no reason is the problem. Keep being a dumb ass and go sign up, but yes you are responsible for U.S. military being thrown in the trash for no reason. No chance of success.

 

[LouderVol]

They will reach objectives that actually solve issues. America doesn't have a chance as its just throwing U.S. soldiers into a trash bin, which is why we're paying various terrorist groups. Most people figured this out 20 years ago.

what objective are they achieving in your mind that solves an issue?

 

[LSU-SIU]

what objective are they achieving in your mind that solves an issue?

I would say the mission creep was the big one but they don't talk about in those terms, no nato in that area, no more fighting in the eastern part, blocked the ability to come through the ukraine from europe, etc. Seems achievable to a degree. Its actually already achieved more than I would have thought, I mean they are probably the most independent country working at a high level. Just my take.

I don't foresee them bugging out. A million guys is a lot but not in the terms of what they lost in WW2, they said after WW2 that would never happen again -- I would probably believe them.

If the Ukraine wins, cool, if Russia wins, cool.

 

[Vol8188]

If the Ukraine wins, cool, if Russia wins, cool.

It’s a question for Russians I would imagine but in the end it was always going to be either they collapse or Europe.

“it’s cool either way” the same guy “either Russia or Europe one will collapse”

So you think Europe will collapse and it’s just no big deal, cool either way, won’t really matter?

 

[LSU-SIU]

“it’s cool either way” the same guy “either Russia or Europe one will collapse”

So you think Europe will collapse and it’s just no big deal, cool either way, won’t really matter?

Not to me, certainly not to the U.S., which is why the U.S. is threatening to invade and putting sanctions on the table for Europe. You can go send them all your money if you wish, its not going to help.

Not much can be done about Europe -> losers.

 

[LouderVol]

I would say the mission creep was the big one but they don't talk about in those terms, no nato in that area, no more fighting in the eastern part, blocked the ability to come through the ukraine from europe, etc. Seems achievable to a degree. Its actually already achieved more than I would have thought, I mean they are probably the most independent country working at a high level. Just my take.

I don't foresee them bugging out. A million guys is a lot but not in the terms of what they lost in WW2, they said after WW2 that would never happen again -- I would probably believe them.

If the Ukraine wins, cool, if Russia wins, cool.

NATO was never a threat in Ukraine before the invasion. the only renewed talks of NATO in Ukraine came AFTER Russia's invasion. Putin created that issue. and depending on what you mean by area, NATO still borders Ukraine just like it did. NATO still borders Russia, just like it did before. and NATO expanded its border with Russia thanks to Finland due to the invasion of Ukraine by Russia. at BEST the NATO situation is worse for Russia than it was before the invasion. so Putin hasn't achieved anything there.

beyond the additional nations, the existing nations are spending more money than ever on their militaries. so not only did NATO expand, but its a stronger NATO. so Putin hasn't achieved anything there.

no fighting in the eastern part? How was that a goal? The only way that was an issue was because Russia invaded. at best that is a goal that came up Day 2, because Day 1 it wasn't an issue. This was a failure of Putin's that he has mitigated, that doesn't count as solving a problem.

he hasn't blocked jack of coming thru Ukraine from Europe. those plains extend into Western Ukraine. they gained a couple hundred miles of more territory, but most of the gains, wouldn't even be the major attack avenues. Eastern Ukraine isn't on the way to Moscow. if they held the eastern side of the entire Dnieper River you would have an argument. but they only hold the southern parts, which aren't as strategically relevant. and given what they lost, its hard to see their gains offsetting a million lost men. they have fewer troops to hold even more territory, that isn't a flex.

you are just buying into Putin's post-post-post-post justification

 

[LSU-SIU]

NATO was never a threat in Ukraine before the invasion.

I stopped reading there.

I don't care but obviously disagree, its what they think at the end of the day.... if you can want to go sign up that is up to you but your opinion like mine is not material. Not only will they be successful, they will probably be successful in starting the dominoes of a European collapse more rapidly, and a collapse of NATO itself.

They will most probably get more than they even planned for -> nato defeat and european collapse.

The reality is Europe was never our friends but it seems like an reasonable objective, I would say they will outperform their goals.



https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRus.../ua_pov_according_to_clash_report_trump_said/


It was nice knowing you Europe. Europe is going to lose much more than a million men in the coming years, that won't even be a warm up.

Seems reasonable to me, but its still a hard decision:

Russian deaths WW2 to defeat Germany: 25m+
Russians deaths to defeat Ukraine, Europe, NATO: 1m+/-

P.S. Looks like the russian servers are working again, Russia is now the good guys again.