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C-south said:
Just look at how SA is thriving today. Almost on par with the rest of Africa.
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Non sequitur. We're discussing ways of changing a potentially problematic government policy without having to attack them militarily. How South Africa is today is irrelevant to the point of how a problematic government policy was changed in South Africa without having to attack them militarily.
 
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C-south said:
If you don’t think we were founded as Christian theocracy I don’t know what to tell you. They wanted us to be tolerant of other religions, not invaded and destroyed from within.
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So where in our constitution does it say we should look to the Bible for our laws?

I think you're confusing the fact the Founding Fathers were practicing Christians in their private lives with them wanting to create a country ruled by religious law. We're not a country ruled by any religion. We are a secular government ruled by law man-made laws we created through the democratic process.

There are no Supreme Court decisions citing the Bible as authority for whether something is legal or illegal in America.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
So where in our constitution does it say we should look to the Bible for our laws?

I think you're confusing the fact the Founding Fathers were practicing Christians in their private lives with them wanting to create a country ruled by religious law. We're not a country ruled by any religion. We are a secular government ruled by law man-made laws we created through the democratic process.

There are no Supreme Court decisions citing the Bible as authority for whether something is legal or illegal in America.
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Lol. You only put your hand on it when going through the process of administering those laws.
 
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OHvol40 said:
Maybe you can explain what that means, because as far as I’m concerned, perspectives can’t the greater-than or less-than, they just are. It’s a point of view, a situation one finds one-self in.
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They’re his words, not mine. Hence the quotations. But I believe his intent was fairly clear.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Obviously there are still differences between the two that creates separation but it's not significant enough that Sunnis would support Israel or America over Iran. That was my point. He was trying to make it seem as though the differences in Sunni and Shia was significant enough that the Sunni might want Israel or America to win in a war. And that would be a laughable take.

Fundamentalist Sunni might look at Fundamentalist Shias as heretics. But as they always the enemy of my enemy is my friend. So no matter how much Sunnis and Shias might hate each other they'll always hate America and Israel more. Which is why bringing up the Sunni/Shia divide in a conversation over Iran vs Israel and America is laughable. There's not a single Sunni Muslim in the world rooting for Israel over Iran. They can hate Iran all they want. I promise you they hate Israel more.
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B.S.

Jordan actively participated in Israel's defense during 2024. I'm pretty certain Jordan even put their own pilots in the air to shoot down drones and missiles.
I don't think Saudi Arabia put jets in the air, but there were reports of their air defense systems intercepting Iranian missiles and drones in 2024.

I wouldn't describe Jordan as a fundamentalist state, but Saudi Arabia certainly is.

At minimum, they allow(ed) use of their air space.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
Didnt see it. D4h only uses rational. Strangely several posters here struggle with homonyms. (I know rational and rationale aren't homonyms like you're and your) I dropped out of HS after football season in 11th grade and immediately got my GED at 17 and went to work in construction. I am mostly self educated because I enjoy reading ...not an English major trying to be a "word snob". Hope I didnt come across that way brother. There are many subjects in which I am ignorant...and most folks here have more formal education than I do.
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Not at all. Well done. Now what is amusing is I used the incorrect word in a response to D4H. Lol.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Let's go with your hypothetical. If there was a country where black people were still enslaved I might find that situation disheartening but I wouldn't advocate America get involved militarily to try and force a regime change or even attack them to force them to change their ways. There are non-military means of forcing a nation that isn't complying with global norms to eventually comply.

Look no further than how apartheid ended in South Africa. We didn't need to military attack South Africa to get the racist white regime to stop oppressing black South Africans. Apartheid ended due to international pressure and economic sanctions against the racist government in South Africa. Interestingly the United States and Israel supported the apartheid regime in South Africa. Just another example of how America and Israel aren't exactly beacons for morality on the global stage.
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And SA is such a wonderful country now. It is almost safe to walk the streets of Sandton at high noon. But don't be alone when you do it. ALl that happened was a racist white regime was replaced with a racist black one
 
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EasternVol said:
If you insist. North Africa's not bad or so I hear. Libya was doing pretty well until Obama's bosses decided it was doing too well.
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It was a war torn land for quite a while. I always wondered if maybe that wasn't some form of retribution for allowing those running our gun running operation to be tortured and killed in such an embarrassing fashion.
 
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KB5252 said:
It was a war torn land for quite a while. I always wondered if maybe that wasn't some form of retribution for allowing those running our gun running operation to be tortured and killed in such an embarrassing fashion.
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It wasn't so much of a war torn land for years before we took Ghadafi out of operation. The people had it pretty good. It looked like retribution for talking up the idea of selling oil in a currency other than the USD.
 
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EasternVol said:
It wasn't so much of a war torn land for years before we took Ghadafi out of operation. The people had it pretty good. It looked like retribution for talking up the idea of selling oil in a currency other than the USD.
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Maybe I'm misremembering the timeline.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
You may not like it but the Iranian Revolution is looked at as an incredible story around the Islamic world. A nation removing a dictator and putting in his place a religious cleric who would rule according to their faith. There really is no other modern example of such a revolution.

As Americans we've been taught to demonize it because it goes against our leadership's hegemonic goals around the world. But on a purely objective uninterested point of view it's pretty incredible that man with zero military power got placed as the leader of a country by a popular revolution from the people.
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And then immediately organized shock troops via the IRG because they realized their power was tenuous at best. They've managed to keep power since under threat of jail or death for dissenters.

I Can't imagine the IRG is a healthy force today. I still think the people have a chance to organize meaningful change for themselves if not being able to shed the Ayatollahs completely.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
One could also say they're funding freedom fighters trying to free their people from oppression.

My point is there's two sides to every coin. The American/Israeli view of Iran is just one way to look at things. Others might view them as funding popular resistance movements in countries where the people are being oppressed by outsiders. Whose right? Well its matter of perspective. That's my only point. I'm not advocating for radical Islam. Just telling they have an equally valid perspective.
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One could say that if only the people they are funding wasn't oppressing their own people.
 
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C-south said:
We don’t operate as one but to think Christianity didn’t play any role in the founding of our country is ridiculous.
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A lot of our founders were influenced by Christianity and some by Deism. If you notice, they went to lengths to separate religion and government and to ensure that folks have the freedom to worship or not as they please.
What role in the founding do you have in mind?
 
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EasternVol said:
A lot of our founders were influenced by Christianity and some by Deism. If you notice, they went to lengths to separate religion and government and to ensure that folks have the freedom to worship or not as they please.
What role in the founding do you have in mind?
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The fact it’s in the declaration of independence multiple times. I agree they made a conscious effort to keep church and state separate but there’s no doubt Christianity played a role in our founding. Maybe one of the only things they were somewhat shortsighted about.
 
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EasternVol said:
A lot of our founders were influenced by Christianity and some by Deism. If you notice, they went to lengths to separate religion and government and to ensure that folks have the freedom to worship or not as they please.
What role in the founding do you have in mind?
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Specifically our system of laws were at least partly based on judeo Christian values....... But I agree, they went to lengths to keep government from endorsing specific religion, partly because they feared infighting amongst denominations but I also believe they saw a greater purpose in separating the church from state.
 
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C-south said:
The fact it’s in the declaration of independence multiple times. I agree they made a conscious effort to keep church and state separate but there’s no doubt Christianity played a role in our founding. Maybe one of the only things they were somewhat shortsighted about.
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Where in the Declaration is Christianity mentioned? How would they have been shortsighted?
 
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C-south said:
Lol. You only put your hand on it when going through the process of administering those laws.
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I have always thought that was dumb. what happens when you have an atheist come up? they are just swearing on some book, and would not hold it to any special consideration. if anything they may hold their oath even lighter because it is something they actively don't believe in.
 
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EasternVol said:
"The rest of Africa" is meaningless given the huge variation in different African countries' human development measures.
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even the north isn't doing great compared to the rest of the world.

Mauritius has the highest in the Africa, and it is off the coast of Madascgar in the Indian Ocean. and they have a .806 score.

mainland Africa you have Algeria, .763, and Egypt, .754.

They all fall behind such human development titans as: Belarus, .824, Costa Rica, .833, Kazakhstan, .837, Malaysia, .819, Russia, .832.
 
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