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n_huffhines said:
Yes. I'm specifically interested in two objectives with foreign policy:

- be good guys
- put America first

I can tell you with all the confidence in the world, trying to be the empire that dictates the terms of the world has not been good for America. It is not in our best interest. We would be better off financially, we'd have fewer enemies, we'd be a much smaller target for terrorism, we wouldn't have thousands of dead soldiers, homeless vets with PTSD, and 9/11 wouldn't have happened, and Beirut, and hostage crisis, etc. Etc.

So yeah, let someone else ruin themselves trying to control the world. We'll still be a super power when they fall.
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I disagree. It has been great for us. That's why the dollar is the worlds reserve currency
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Trump dropped bombs on our own?


Little help please.
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Should a POTUS be dropping bombs without the approval of at least some select Congress members. It appears Trump did inform Congress.

What my worry is the breadth of the Executive Branch power and also the power of one or two (as we saw with Pelosi and McConnell) Congress members to stall all of Congress, and with some Federal Courts taking activist positions and changing laws.

I'm anti most of what the Federal govt has become. It's a machine that's out of control and self feeding.
 
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volbound1700 said:
The issue is your idiotic campaign rhetoric. It isn't the current action. Trump and MAGA went on for months about how we can't get into wars, how Ukraine would be over in a week, Iran would cave, etc.

The issue is that you don't write checks you can't cash. Maybe there is reasons like this that Obama bombed Libya, W Bush went into Afghanistan and Iraq, etc.
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Things change.
 
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Volbucky said:
It’s ignorant to make claims to stay out of conflict and it’s even more ignorant if you believe we will stay out. We can’t predict our own countries future, much less a rouge nation.
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While I agree, that has not been the narrative of MAGA, especially with regard to past foreign policy.

My point is that Trump and Company should have never made these comments in their campaigning. I call it out consistently.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
If a Christian sect turned that into a mandate for bloodshed to usher it in, they would not be worthy of trust to lead a nation, and especially not to have nukes.

I believe the general belief by Christians who interpret End Times in that manner believe that such rebuild of the temple would be ushered in by the Antichrist via treaties--not the church. Depending on their beliefs per the tribulations, many would believe they'd be gone anyway.
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Yet many in the US are pushing to make it happen. Is Iran's leadership pushing to make their version happen?
 
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volgr said:
Huh, Iran knew...as was my theory

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What part of that states that they partnered with Trump to cover up a never-happened?

And their claims sound like more BS, considering:

The up to two weeks comment from Trump.
The decoy flights that took focus away from B2 bombers that did the bombing.
The administration saying that they kept it secret so that it wouldn't be leaked.

Do you think that, possibly, Iran is trying to save face?
 
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Genuinely surprised Biden didn't have this all put to bed during the last four years. So many foreign relations accomplishments. How did fixing Iran sneak through?
 
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volbound1700 said:
While I agree, that has not been the narrative of MAGA, especially with regard to past foreign policy.

My point is that Trump and Company should have never made these comments in their campaigning. I call it out consistently.
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Sounds like they hope for the best and expect the worst. Would you rather us get pushed into a corner all for the sake of standing on something we hope would happen?

There are so many people who would rather us appear weak just to feel better about themselves. It’s sad.
 
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Volbucky said:
Sounds like they hope for the best and expect the worst. Would you rather us get pushed into a corner all for the sake of standing on something we hope would happen?

There are so many people who would rather us appear weak just to feel better about themselves. It’s sad.
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I would rather leaders not lie and use propaganda in campaigns that they can't keep. Ending Ukraine war in 1 day is a good example. There was plenty that Trump could criticize Biden on without extremity.
 
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Where is the wise@$$ that laughed at me a few nights ago, when I stated that the US was heavily involved in this mess?
Any fool with half a brain, knew the US was calling the shots behind the scenes and that it was only a matter of time before we publicly entered the arena.
 
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EasternVol said:
Yet many in the US are pushing to make it happen. Is Iran's leadership pushing to make their version happen?
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I guess I just don't run in those Christian-Rapture-Death-Cult circles. I'll trust that you know them better than I. I stand by the comment that these Christian-Rapture-Death-Cults can't be trusted with nuclear weapons.
 
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CobbWebb71 said:
Where is the wise@$$ that laughed at me a few nights ago, when I stated that the US was heavily involved in this mess?
Any fool with half a brain, knew the US was calling the shots behind the scenes and that it was only a matter of time before we publicly entered the arena.
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Let's see if the Orange man takes the bait. What happens if someone told you Iran wants the boots on the ground? (people haven't been paying attention to history)
 
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www.foxnews.com

JONATHAN TURLEY: Dems suddenly outraged over presidential war powers

Democrats criticize Trump's Iran attack as unconstitutional, despite similar actions by Obama and Clinton, highlighting inconsistent application of War Powers Act
www.foxnews.com www.foxnews.com

"Democrats in Washington are again talking impeachment. Politicians and pundits are expressing outrage over President Donald Trump attacking Iran without a prior authorization of Congress. It is the Claude Rains School of Constitutional Law where politicians are "shocked, shocked" that Trump is using the authority that they accepted in Democratic predecessors. Fourteen years ago this week, I was in court litigating that very issue when President Barack Obama attacked Libya. Most Democrats supported or were silent on the action."
 
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rekinhavoc said:
www.foxnews.com

JONATHAN TURLEY: Dems suddenly outraged over presidential war powers

Democrats criticize Trump's Iran attack as unconstitutional, despite similar actions by Obama and Clinton, highlighting inconsistent application of War Powers Act
www.foxnews.com www.foxnews.com

"Democrats in Washington are again talking impeachment. Politicians and pundits are expressing outrage over President Donald Trump attacking Iran without a prior authorization of Congress. It is the Claude Rains School of Constitutional Law where politicians are "shocked, shocked" that Trump is using the authority that they accepted in Democratic predecessors. Fourteen years ago this week, I was in court litigating that very issue when President Barack Obama attacked Libya. Most Democrats supported or were silent on the action."
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Waste of tax dollars, he hasn't done anything that is impeachable.
 
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