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#4,853
Majors said:
Possibly, with the unguarded borders the last few years puts the option on the table. We all know it wasn’t just those from Mexico and South America entering.
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There’s no doubt that was a failure evil people will find ways to do evil things it’s been like this forever and won’t change

The whole time watching that episode I just couldn’t help but think it was fear porn propaganda, using it as a reason we had to vote for trump, said things like there was gonna be a whole lot of innocent people dying in the US. Same with his episode with Sam shoemaker, telling people he knows 2 Iranian missiles came through our border yet
 
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#4,854
volgr said:
The endgame is not to escalate this further. For both Iran and the US.

Flag draped coffins returning home will wreck Trump's Presidency, he knows that.
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Then just don't attack. Trump had asked them to the table. Iran goes to the table. No escalation.

The ruse at the cost of MILLIONS of dollars if nothing was destroyed would make Trump look like a complete idiot. If we have to go after Iran's nukes next year because of some fake attack not to escalate, what a failure. It's not like we can trust them or they trust us to "do this thing so it won't escalate and we can stop Israel."

Israel isn't stopping until a lot of centrifuges are no longer working. Period. The US can bomb all day but until Israel is satisfied with their safety, they will keep it up.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
The guy makes zero sense.

I could go with "the bombs didn't do as much damage as we are saying" which is possible as it's a first time use in a non-test environment. It's not knowable yet, but it's plausible.

That we faked what we dropped or attacked with less force as a PR stunt with Iran is just nuts.
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Arguments built on a lack of information are generally problematic, as opposed to arguments based on information. "We haven't seen/heard/read, so..." can generally be the point where one can turn the volume down or change the channel, at least until it becomes more of an argument than, "I'm ignorant on this subject, so hear me out..."
 
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#4,856
Gandalf said:
No, they will not. Russia nor China would even think about giving ICBMs to Iran. You clearly dont understand the game to say such a thing.

Second. You are presuming that the current Iran regime survives several more years. That is looking like a rather shaky assumption.
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Russia assisted North Korea with ICBM tech. Why would they not do the same for Iran? Especially now with the US attacking them for the past 2 years though their Ukrainian proxy.
 
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#4,859
volgr said:
Iran is reacting calmly, saying there was no damage to their nuclear facilities that cant be fixed. So, Iran is basically saying it was a lie. They were not "obliterated".

Now, they could be Baghdad Bob'ing, who knows but right now, I dont see many people questioning the narrative that we destroyed Iran's nuke capabilities (despite no evidence we actually did). Also, there really isnt a way to verify either side's claims without on the ground evidence.
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Whether we destroyed all their capabilities remains to be seen but I would bet quite a bit that we destroyed most anything of value at those sites. With Israel overwatch and the US pressing diplomatically they would be hard to rebuild.

Meanwhile Saudis and Kuwaitis have a chuckle - maybe even send Trump a solid gold phone.
 
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#4,862
SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Then just don't attack. Trump had asked them to the table. Iran goes to the table. No escalation.

The ruse at the cost of MILLIONS of dollars if nothing was destroyed would make Trump look like a complete idiot. If we have to go after Iran's nukes next year because of some fake attack not to escalate, what a failure. It's not like we can trust them or they trust us to "do this thing so it won't escalate and we can stop Israel."

Israel isn't stopping until a lot of centrifuges are no longer working. Period. The US can bomb all day but until Israel is satisfied with their safety, they will keep it up.
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Iran was at the table and supposedly close to a deal when Israel killed their negotiators. This despite their last deal being ripped up by Trump. So, stop with the nonsense.

Israel cant stop Iran from developing nuclear weapons. They dont have the capacity. They know that, we know that, everyone with a functioning brain knows that. This is a regime change attempt. Nothing more. Everything else is narrative.
 
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#4,864
MercyPercy said:
So what happens now if we didn't penetrate enough to destroy all the sites? Did anyone think about that?
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Given the level of damage that would have been done, I don’t think it’ll matter. If we didn’t destroy everything but you can’t get in or out of the site anymore, it doesn’t matter
 
#4,866
#4,866
volgr said:
Iran was at the table and supposedly close to a deal when Israel killed their negotiators. This despite their last deal being ripped up by Trump. So, stop with the nonsense.

Israel cant stop Iran from developing nuclear weapons. They dont have the capacity. They know that, we know that, everyone with a functioning brain knows that. This is a regime change attempt. Nothing more. Everything else is narrative.
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It seems like they just did
 
#4,869
#4,869
volgr said:
Russia assisted North Korea with ICBM tech. Why would they not do the same for Iran? Especially now with the US attacking them for the past 2 years though their Ukrainian proxy.
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Russia, like everyone else in the world knows, that Iran is run by religious zealots who, if they blew Israel off the map, would then turn to another "infidel" nearby possibly even Russia.

While NK is run by a militaristic communist cultish 3/4 crazy regime, they don't believe Allah has ordered them to convert or kill the rest of the planet.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Given the level of damage that would have been done, I don’t think it’ll matter. If we didn’t destroy everything but you can’t get in or out of the site anymore, it doesn’t matter
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That would necessitate a regime change IMHo. If you leave the facility intact, but buried, you can't leave the unhinged Napolean complex in place with proximity to dig it out, repair it, and start it back up.
 
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#4,875
n_huffhines said:
The war propaganda machine is insane.

Right now, we have continual bipartisan support for military aid to Israel.

A president who promised to keep us out of war bombs Iran, unprovoked, without approval from congress, and didn't invoke the War Powers resolution...just 6 months into his presidency. And an alarming number of people here are all about this.

My wife hit the road yesterday to go see my family. I'll catch up to them next week. This is what she sent me. WTF is wrong with America? We are scared of the stupidest **** and those fears lead us around by the nose.

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Your dad watches too many movies.
 
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