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Persian Vol said:
The same level of risk when the president bombs another countries nuclear facilities?
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Same Risk, the Islamic Jihad has not changed for 60years. They will not stop. They do not forgive or forget. Our grandchildren will be terrorized for this bombing. They are still raging about the Bush administration and for the bombs we dropped in 02.
 
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The war propaganda machine is insane.

Right now, we have continual bipartisan support for military aid to Israel.

A president who promised to keep us out of war bombs Iran, unprovoked, without approval from congress, and didn't invoke the War Powers resolution...just 6 months into his presidency. And an alarming number of people here are all about this.

My wife hit the road yesterday to go see my family. I'll catch up to them next week. This is what she sent me. WTF is wrong with America? We are scared of the stupidest **** and those fears lead us around by the nose.

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volgr said:
Iran will eventually get a nuke and our recent actions have guaranteed that outcome. At some point China/Russia will also give them ICBMs.

There really isnt a way to stop it without risking heavy casualties to our servicemen.

The west is going to have to re-learn the art of diplomacy.
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We'd put boots on the ground before we'd let anyone give Iran an ICBM.
 
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n_huffhines said:
The war propaganda machine is insane.

Right now, we have continual bipartisan support for military aid to Israel.

A president who promised to keep us out of war bombs Iran, unprovoked, without approval from congress, and didn't invoke the War Powers resolution and an alarming number of people are good with this.

My wife hit the road yesterday to go see my family. I'll catch up to them next week. This is what she sent me. WTF is wrong with America? We are scared of the stupidest **** and those fears lead us around by the nose.

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Sleeper cells should definitely be our biggest worry. They have now been here for years.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Because they're getting boned right now and desperate.
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One must ask why they are getting boned. Look, I hate this. But I can also look at the 40 years leading up to it and see the situation where it was a hard decision that would ultimately come to the least-****ty outcome.

You, on the other hand, find it easier to tell all of us what should have been done, when you can't even sus out which twitter/facebook headline fooled you again.
 
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bamawriter said:
I tried to listen to Hegseth's presser because I'm interested in the logistics of this operation.

However, he started with irrelevant praise for his dear leader, and I had to shut it off after "President Trump is the most attractive leader in the history of the world, and I listen to recordings of his voice while I choke myself to climax."

Did he ever get around to anything worthwhile?
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That I wasn't drinking anything when reading that was quite fortunate.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
One must ask why they are getting boned. Look, I hate this. But I can also look at the 40 years leading up to it and see the situation where it was a hard decision that would ultimately come to the least-****ty outcome.

You, on the other hand, find it easier to tell all of us what should have been done, when you can't even sus out which twitter/facebook headline fooled you again.
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Lol
 
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volgr said:
I dont have a likely scenario. I am trying to make sense of the events as are many others that arent just slurping up the official narrative.
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Consider the logic of WHY promote a ruse? There's none. If/when it's exposed everyone involved looks like complete idiots and gains nothing. There's actually NOTHING to be gained by promoting "we did this" when we didn't.

Iran, whose behavior we're trying to change, would know it was a lie. Nothing of value would be destroyed. You wasted time and resources. Why would anyone do that?
 
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volgr said:
Iran will eventually get a nuke and our recent actions have guaranteed that outcome. At some point China/Russia will also give them ICBMs.

There really isnt a way to stop it without risking heavy casualties to our servicemen.

The west is going to have to re-learn the art of diplomacy.
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Speak to Russia about diplomacy because they've lost a lot of troops in Ukraine and a lot of equipment to drones/attacks in Russia.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Consider the logic of WHY promote a ruse? There's none. If/when it's exposed everyone involved looks like complete idiots and gains nothing. There's actually NOTHING to be gained by promoting "we did this" when we didn't.

Iran, whose behavior we're trying to change, would know it was a lie. Nothing of value would be destroyed. You wasted time and resources. Why would anyone do that?
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Iran is reacting calmly, saying there was no damage to their nuclear facilities that cant be fixed. So, Iran is basically saying it was a lie. They were not "obliterated".

Now, they could be Baghdad Bob'ing, who knows but right now, I dont see many people questioning the narrative that we destroyed Iran's nuke capabilities (despite no evidence we actually did). Also, there really isnt a way to verify either side's claims without on the ground evidence.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Consider the logic of WHY promote a ruse? There's none. If/when it's exposed everyone involved looks like complete idiots and gains nothing. There's actually NOTHING to be gained by promoting "we did this" when we didn't.

Iran, whose behavior we're trying to change, would know it was a lie. Nothing of value would be destroyed. You wasted time and resources. Why would anyone do that?
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His original conspiracy theory actually seemed to include a coordination and partnership between the US and Iran, to fool the world into thinking that we bombed them, when we didn't.

volgr said:
I have yet to see evidence we actually used bunker busters. Hopefully this "attack" was more of a PR stunt and had been worked through Iranian back channels before. At this time, Iran doesnt seem to be too worried about it. I think there would be a strong response if we actually obliterated their nuclear program.
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Let's say everything you said is true, so what? Pakistan has nukes. They're Muslim and in the region. Israel has nukes. India has nukes. And so forth.

Why are we starting wars over nukes when so many countries already have them? Because Iran is somehow impervious to mutually assured destruction like everyone else? Or because you believe that simply because they're Muslim they're gonna use it when no one on earth but America has ever used a nuclear bomb?

You've bought into the Zionist/Neo-Con psy-op. Just like how they tricked you into thinking Saddam Hussien was a madman with "weapons of mass destruction" hell bent on attacking America to get us into that quagmire in Iraq, they've done the same here with Iran. This new war with Iran has nothing to do with nukes. Just like deposing Saddam had nothing to do weapons of mass destruction. Both conflicts are about REGIME CHANGE.

Israel wants the Iranian government toppled because Iran has been supporting groups like Hezbollah and the Houthis who have been a thorn in their side. So they've ordered us to do their bidding. Iran is no threat to the American homeland. We have no reason as Americans to be engaging in war with them. Let Israel fight it's own battles if it wants regional hegemony. It's not America First to be fighting Israel's battles for them.
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It has nothing to do with them being Muslim. It's because of their track record in regards to attacking their neighbors and anyone else within the region. They've earned the biggest state sponsor of terror monicker for a reason.

If one doesn't understand why you wouldn't want terrorists gaining nuclear weapon technology.......... You can lead the horse to water but you can't make him drink.
 
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norrislakevol said:
Sleeper cells should definitely be our biggest worry. They have now been here for years.
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Our biggest worry? There is no known sleeper cell threat and it should be our BIGGEST worry? I'm not surprised at all that you believe this.

I'll tell you, I'm much more worried about two inevitable threats than unverifiable threats, and you should be too:

1) financial ruin as a national security threat
2) blowback and consequences from interventionist foreign policy
 
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