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#3,851
Persian Vol said:
That’s not what I said, but okay.
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Then you think they SHOULD recognize Israel's right to exist, stop funding terror, etc and ACTUALLY negotiate which worked to establish peace for most other nations in the ME?

You said that attacking Iran is wrong without proof yet you acknowledge that they fund terror like the Houthi which has repeatedly attacked US vessels and that they are sworn to destroy Israel.

It doesn't work that only one side gets to attack the other or fund people who attack the other.

So I assume you wish Iran WOULD stop funding the Houthi, WOULD negotiate the right of Israel to exist, WOULD stop enriching uranium as a provocation/leverage tool and START negotiating via normal diplomatic channels to make peace with Israel and the US?
 
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Matt2496 said:
How exactly could Iran "destroy our country"?

Their max range missiles can't even reach the US, so it can't be that.
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I believe there is a lot of recent chatter about Iranian and Chinese sleeper cells in the US.

All a terrorist has to do is smuggle a dirty bomb and drones into Mexico, Canada, or the US, and boom.
 
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From the report:
  • Although this report and the parallel NPT report serve to highlight Iran’s multiple violations of the JCPOA and the NPT and its increased capabilities to make weapon-grade uranium, they obscure perhaps the most critical concern. Iran’s nuclear weaponization program is steadily making progress, out of sight of the inspectors and the world. The urgent need is to place IAEA inspections at heart of relations with Iran and reaffirm that Iran will never be allowed to get a nuclear weapon.
  • Iran can convert its current stock of 60 percent enriched uranium into 233 kg of WGU in three weeks at the Fordow Fuel Enrichment Plant (FFEP), enough for 9 nuclear weapons, taken as 25 kg of weapon-grade uranium (WGU) per weapon.
  • Combined with Iran’s refusal to resolve outstanding safeguards violations and the program’s unresolved nuclear weapons dimensions, the IAEA has a significantly reduced ability to monitor Iran’s complex and growing nuclear program. The IAEA’s ability to detect diversion of nuclear materials, equipment, and other capabilities to undeclared facilities remains greatly diminished.

Analysis of IAEA Iran Verification and Monitoring Report — May 2025 | Institute for Science and International Security

ISIS is a non-profit, non-partisan institution providing public knowledge of nuclear proliferation and international security.
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Vol8188 said:
What’s false? The only thing that is false is your claim that they need 60% uranium for medical isotopes. I didn’t make that claim.
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Technically, HEU is often used in the production of Tc99, used as contrast in medical imaging.

That being said, I'm quite certain Iran isn't trying to just compete in the MRI market.
 
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There is a report on an update from the UN atomic chief in FOX I haven't seen elsewhere. For the record a check CNN and Fox multiple times per day.

In a nutshell what I took from it was Iran already had the material it needs for multiple weapons....... But not the detonation devices needed.

I have some questions about that, that tech could easily be developed elsewhere, separately and not in conjunction with the nuclear facilities. How do they know they haven't or aren't selling/developing that tech as we speak?

They believe there is a narrowing window for diplomacy and negotiations on the issue.

TIFWIW
 
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utvolpj said:
These are amazing leaps (even farther than any Iranian missiles can go)
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You seriously think Iran would use a missile?

They or there terrorist proxies would stick them on boats and try and get them near the US coast or into a port.

There is what 4 or 5 major cities accessible by the Atlantic/GoA including a couple of Naval base/ship yards.
 
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CagleMtnVol said:
You seriously think Iran would use a missile?

They or there terrorist proxies would stick them on boats and try and get them near the US coast or into a port.

There is what 4 or 5 major cities accessible by the Atlantic/GoA including a couple of Naval base/ship yards.
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They wouldn’t get close to our coast lol
 
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#3,858
CagleMtnVol said:
You seriously think Iran would use a missile?

They or there terrorist proxies would stick them on boats and try and get them near the US coast or into a port.

There is what 4 or 5 major cities accessible by the Atlantic/GoA including a couple of Naval base/ship yards.
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A boat is much less likely than a missile
 
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CagleMtnVol said:
You seriously think Iran would use a missile?

They or there terrorist proxies would stick them on boats and try and get them near the US coast or into a port.

There is what 4 or 5 major cities accessible by the Atlantic/GoA including a couple of Naval base/ship yards.
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What?

We would see them on satellite and take them out long before they got close to the coasts.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Technically, HEU is often used in the production of Tc99, used as contrast in medical imaging.

That being said, I'm quite certain Iran isn't trying to just compete in the MRI market.
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My understanding of that (very limited understanding) is that HEU is not the norm and other than Russia most countries do not use HEU for that anymore.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Even *if* we didn't have intel that you and I don't have (neither about what may have been done to slow the enrichment process, not about their current nearness to a bomb), one has to consider the costs of inaction vs action. Iran with Nuclear bombs is also all of their sponsored terrorist groups with nuclear bombs, as well as a nuclear arms race across the ME.

You have to eventually take care of the problem.
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How many bombs would Iran want to have before letting any of their clients have one? Just for discussion, why is Iran more likely to supply a client with a bomb than other nuclear armed countries?
 
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Persian Vol said:
No one is saying “ignore their actions.” We’re saying don’t jump to conclusions without proof. Enriching to 60% is alarming, yes. But there are multiple strategic reasons for doing it short of building a bomb: deterrence, political leverage, or keeping the West at the negotiating table. The fact they’ve publicly declared the enrichment and haven’t advanced beyond 60% in nearly 3 years weakens the argument that they’re secretly racing toward a weapon.
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Reminds me of the old David Letterman line: "The last time the French wanted proof, it rolled right through Paris with a German flag on it."
 
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CagleMtnVol said:
A random non descript boat?
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I would think we would see a boat like that departing from a hostile middle eastern country and monitor it. We also have our own patrol boats all over the waters in that part of the world.

If we don't have all eyes on those countries (Yemen, Iran, etc), that would be a massive failure in intelligence.
 
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Persian Vol said:
You’re misinterpreting the argument and building a straw man. No one said Iran is threatening “we will make a bomb if you don’t do X.” Leverage, deterrence, and negotiation in this context mean creating pressure, not declaring intent to build a weapon. Countries use provocative actions all the time to gain diplomatic footing without crossing red lines. If Iran truly intended to make a bomb, they’ve had years and the technical ability to go beyond 60%, but they haven’t. That matters if we’re being objective.
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Some of us are not at all objective though.
 
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EasternVol said:
Some of us are not at all objective though.
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Can you objectively tell me what they intend to do with this uranium, why they build their facilities underground, why they don’t allow inspectors access, and why they’re building additional facilities?
 
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volfanhill said:
Iran wants a nuke for one reason only. We don't play regime change in countries that have nukes. The leadership isn't going to nuke Israel and ensure their own destruction at the same time. The rhetoric is for the masses. Rich and powerful on Earth is fun.
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This. Watching us toy with direct involvement while knowing we would never even consider it in Ukraine just proves their point.
 
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CagleMtnVol said:
A random non descript boat?
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Nukes aren't launched from shoulder RPGs or such, I don't think. I'm not even sure the US has mobile, nuke launchers like those "shipping container missiles" Ukraine used in Russia.

Nuke launchers are not easy to disguise and launch, even for the US, which is why we like our subs to be ghosts so the bad guys don't know where the nukes might be.
 
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EasternVol said:
How many bombs would Iran want to have before letting any of their clients have one? Just for discussion, why is Iran more likely to supply a client with a bomb than other nuclear armed countries?
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They have a history of proxy terrorism. And per other nuclear armed countries; they aren't more likely since with nuclear armed countries, the cow is already out of the barn. I think the better question is, will they be more likely to either use a nuke, or lease it out, once they have the capabilities to follow up on their decades of threats/promises.
 
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Vol8188 said:
I love the idea that Iran is suturing additional nuclear facilities, underground nuclear facilities, and enriching all this uranium just for fun.

They have no real intent, they’re just bored.
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It got their ***es bombed to hell and back, but they were willing to take that chance for no reason whatsoever, except hobbies and stuff.
 
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