Iran

[Vol8188]

It’s more likely to happen than it is to not. Could be 5 years, could be 10, hell it would be 25. No way to know

Based on?

 

[volbound1700]

Be sure to volunteer for the war, send your kids family etc. gotta get those nukes. Really our country is war hungry bc it fills their pockets.

I don't have to, Israel is taking care of it. USA doesn't have to do anything. That is a major win.

 

[Vol8188]

It’s almost certainly a fact that Israel alone cannot dismantle the entirety of the nuclear program. Cripple, sure. But there are sites inside mountains that are essentially impregnable to whatever Israel can throw their way. They know that the only way they can eliminate the threat of Iran for certainty is a complete regime chain and boots on the ground operation and destruction of all possible nuclear facilities. They can’t do this without American soldiers.

None of that is true. Regardless of how deep in a mountain a facility is, you can always destroy the entrance to that facility or attack the workers at that facility.

Israel controls the air. They don’t have to send anyone in. Nor do I think we will.

 

[hog88]

It’s almost certainly a fact that Israel alone cannot dismantle the entirety of the nuclear program. Cripple, sure. But there are sites inside mountains that are essentially impregnable to whatever Israel can throw their way. They know that the only way they can eliminate the threat of Iran for certainty is a complete regime chain and boots on the ground operation and destruction of all possible nuclear facilities. They can’t do this without American soldiers.

Hopefully the regime change will come from within. You would know better than me but I don't believe the Iranian govt is very popular with the citizenry.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

It’s almost certainly a fact that Israel alone cannot dismantle the entirety of the nuclear program. Cripple, sure. But there are sites inside mountains that are essentially impregnable to whatever Israel can throw their way. They know that the only way they can eliminate the threat of Iran for certainty is a complete regime chain and boots on the ground operation and destruction of all possible nuclear facilities. They can’t do this without American soldiers.

 

[Grand Vol]

Hopefully the regime change will come from within. You would know better than me but I don't believe the Iranian govt is very popular with the citizenry.

Much like our government does between R and D, they swung way hard the other way after the fall of the Shah.

Difference was, they persecuted, exiled and executed the opposition in the aftermath never giving it a chance to self correct even to the middle through a political process. It'll take another revolution to correct.

 

[Persian Vol]

None of that is true. Regardless of how deep in a mountain a facility is, you can always destroy the entrance to that facility or attack the workers at that facility.

Israel controls the air. They don’t have to send anyone in. Nor do I think we will.

Yes, entrances can be struck. Yes, workers can be targeted. But that doesn’t eliminate the enrichment capability buried hundreds of meters underground in hardened bunkers like Fordow, which was literally built inside a mountain to survive airstrikes. Even the U.S. military has acknowledged that not all these sites can be destroyed from the air alone.

Israel does dominate the skies, but unless they’re using GBU-57 bunker busters (which only the U.S. has), they’re unlikely to fully destroy these deeper sites. And even if they hit 80% of the infrastructure, Iran has backups, underground labs, dispersed enrichment stockpiles, and the ability to restart programs quickly, especially if scientists survive.

If the goal is a complete elimination of Iran’s nuclear capacity, not just a delay, it would likely require more than air power. That’s not a knock on Israel’s capabilities, just stating the reality of the situation.

 

[lukeneyland]

Some have been destroyed some remain.

Damn we need to get them all. Not really something to be done halfway

 

[lukeneyland]

Be sure to volunteer for the war, send your kids family etc. gotta get those nukes. Really our country is war hungry bc it fills their pockets.

We’d just bomb the piss out of them. There’s nothing they can do to stop it. Dumb bastards have brought it on themselves. Maybe routinely threatening USA and Israel while slowly developing a nuke was a bad idea.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

Yes, entrances can be struck. Yes, workers can be targeted. But that doesn’t eliminate the enrichment capability buried hundreds of meters underground in hardened bunkers like Fordow, which was literally built inside a mountain to survive airstrikes. Even the U.S. military has acknowledged that not all these sites can be destroyed from the air alone.

Israel does dominate the skies, but unless they’re using GBU-57 bunker busters (which only the U.S. has), they’re unlikely to fully destroy these deeper sites. And even if they hit 80% of the infrastructure, Iran has backups, underground labs, dispersed enrichment stockpiles, and the ability to restart programs quickly, especially if scientists survive.

If the goal is a complete elimination of Iran’s nuclear capacity, not just a delay, it would likely require more than air power. That’s not a knock on Israel’s capabilities, just stating the reality of the situation.

Are you an Iranian scientist?

 

[lukeneyland]

Are you an Iranian scientist?

I didn’t know Volnation had experts on ballistics capabilities. Would be hard to believe Israel would go for this if they didn’t think they could take the sites down

 

[CagleMtnVol]

 

[Orangeburst]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/mossad-set-up-a-drone-base-in-iran-uavs-were-activated-overnight-to-strike-surface-to-surface-missile-launchers-aimed-at-israel/

Ukraine Part Deux..Seems like something Chinese nationals would do to the US.

 

[CagleMtnVol]

 

[EasternVol]

60% is far beyond what’s needed for any non military purpose. When you claim “bargaining” you’re admitting what I’m saying that they’re doing this to produce weapons.

The “bargain” is “we are almost there! We will do it!”. That’s the obvious implied threat.

Now that threat is being rightfully removed.

No, I'm not admitting any such thing. Neither you nor I know exactly why they're at 60%. If they're above the reactor enrichment threshold but well below weapons grade they could have been trying to show they could get to weapons grade and use that to leverage concessions from the parties mentioned above. Or they could have intended to eventually become the second nuclear power in the Middle East.
Back to Tulsi. If we have evidence that they're trying to make a bomb, why would she say we don't? It's not like Trump's going to cover for them.

 

[Persian Vol]

Hopefully the regime change will come from within. You would know better than me but I don't believe the Iranian govt is very popular with the citizenry.

There’s a large portion that would love a regime change myself included, but if residential condos in Tehran are being struck by another country the mood changes toward self defense against a common enemy.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

I didn’t know Volnation had experts on ballistics capabilities. Would be hard to believe Israel would go for this if they didn’t think they could take the sites down

Persian Vol sounds very convincing right now.

 

[volinbham]

It’s more likely to happen than it is to not. Could be 5 years, could be 10, hell it would be 25. No way to know

so this event has virtually nothing to do with it?

the only sure thing about WWIII is that it's the next world war since we already had I and II and have not yet had IV

 

[hog88]

There’s a large portion that would love a regime change myself included, but if residential condos in Tehran are being struck by another country the mood changes toward self defense against a common enemy.

I can agree with that. Although I doubt we ever get an accurate assessment of civilian casualties I'm positive the reported number will be high enough to stir nationalist sentiment.

 

[EasternVol]

Thus the negotiations to stop building the capacity for nuclear weapons. i.e. I'm not so sure it's simply about evidence they are building, as much as preventing capacities to do so?

I agree that's what the negotiations were about. The question I was trying to raise is Israel's justification for these attacks.

 

[CagleMtnVol]

There’s a large portion that would love a regime change myself included, but if residential condos in Tehran are being struck by another country the mood changes toward self defense against a common enemy.

Condos owned by the IRGC and housed top leaders.

 

[Volsdeep4]

No, I'm not admitting any such thing. Neither you nor I know exactly why they're at 60%. If they're above the reactor enrichment threshold but well below weapons grade they could have been trying to show they could get to weapons grade and use that to leverage concessions from the parties mentioned above. Or they could have intended to eventually become the second nuclear power in the Middle East.
Back to Tulsi. If we have evidence that they're trying to make a bomb, why would she say we don't? It's not like Trump's going to cover for them.

That’s a lot of “if’s” and “or’s” for a country that said they would destroy America.

What would you do?

 

[lukeneyland]

Persian Vol sounds very convincing right now.

Username checks out. Honestly have no idea on what these bombs can or can’t accomplish

 

[volinbham]

Israel doesn't have to completely eradicate all nuclear capabilities. They just need to eradicate enough to eliminate the will to restart development of nuke weapons. Kill enough of the human infrastructure and support structure and the will is tested.

 

[CobbVol]

No, I'm not admitting any such thing. Neither you nor I know exactly why they're at 60%. If they're above the reactor enrichment threshold but well below weapons grade they could have been trying to show they could get to weapons grade and use that to leverage concessions from the parties mentioned above. Or they could have intended to eventually become the second nuclear power in the Middle East.
Back to Tulsi. If we have evidence that they're trying to make a bomb, why would she say we don't? It's not like Trump's going to cover for them.

But, Gabbard added, “In the past year, we have seen an erosion of a decades-long taboo in Iran on discussing nuclear weapons in public, likely emboldening nuclear weapons advocates within Iran’s decision-making apparatus. Iran’s enriched uranium stockpile is at its highest levels and is unprecedented for a state without nuclear weapons.”