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#20,478
Smokey123 said:
Their religious beliefs changes nothing

NK has nukes, has vowed to destroy the US and actively working to get an ICBM that can reach the US. We also have over 5000 servicemen that are unaccounted for in Korea

Iran has nothing that can reach the US, was not developing a nuclear weapon and even declared nuclear weapons haram
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Their beliefs change everything. No fanatical behavior from Iran equals no hostilities between them and the US for the past 40 plus years.

NK has been saber rattling since it's inception and far less likely to ever do anything other than that. They understand the term Mutually Assured Destruction and the end game they'll be left with.

Iran has weaponry that can reach all of the ME and parts of Europe. Care to take a guess how many military bases are within the region that places our troops at risk?
How do you know they were not developing a device? Look, I don't believe everything our government tells us either and most of the time they're deceiving us, but to look the other way and believe Iran wouldn't use a weapon if given the opportunity is just nuts.
 
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Smokey123 said:
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Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu pressed President Trump in a phone call yesterday not to pursue a ceasefire at this stage and expressed concern over the risks involved in such a move, an Israeli source said
🚨🇮🇱🇺🇸 Trump told Netanyahu that if Iran agrees to the US demands, a ceasefire might be achieved, but he emphasized that he would not back down from his demand that Iran hand over all the enriched uranium in its possession and agree not to resume enrichment, according to the Israeli source”
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So now Trump isn’t just doing anything Israel says.
Odd
 
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volfanhill said:
So when Trump speaks you think he and his cabinet should believe him? Bold strategy. I mean it ignores his entire history of opening his mouth. But it is bold
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In that link, the only time he refers to believing him is him referring to leaving no one behind. I believe that is the case with him and much more than the past CIC. Don't you agree?
 
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CobbVol said:
In that link, the only time he refers to believing him is him referring to leaving no one behind. I believe that is the case with him and much more than the past CIC. Don't you agree?
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I don't believe a single word that comes out of his mouth. On any subject. He lies while lying about lying. What the hell does Biden have to do with any of this? That's how you know you have a crap argument. You are comparing Trump to a piece of ****. Guess what they both are. I can just admit they are. You hold your nose
 
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volfanhill said:
I don't believe a single word that comes out of his mouth. On any subject. He lies while lying about lying. What the hell does Biden have to do with any of this? That's how you know you have a crap argument. You are comparing Trump to a piece of ****. Guess what they both are. I can just admit they are. You hold your nose
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You obviously did not watch the link as Trump did not speak a word.
 
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volfanhill said:
I don't believe a single word that comes out of his mouth. On any subject. He lies while lying about lying. What the hell does Biden have to do with any of this? That's how you know you have a crap argument. You are comparing Trump to a piece of ****. Guess what they both are. I can just admit they are. You hold your nose
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Amen. I will NEVER just hold my nose and vote for a worthless POS for any office. I guess that’s why I haven’t voted for President since 2012.
 
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rikberry31 said:
NK is not a suicidal death cult bent on bringing about the apocalypse. Little Rocket man wants to live. The mullahs are not sane rational beings. They don't respect mutually assured destruction, they embrace it.
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:rolleyes:

Let he who hath not sinned...

We supported a puppet leader (the Shah of Iran) who was overthrown due to the will of Iranian people. Who are we to choose the leader of another country?

Imperialism is a failed concept.

Are Iranian Mullah leaders a suicidal death cult bent on bringing about the apocalypse? Are the Mullahs sane and rational human beings?

Short answer: there’s no credible evidence that Iran’s clerical leadership is a “suicidal death cult.” Most experts—across intelligence agencies, academia, and even many critics of Iran—assess them as ideological but fundamentally rational actors who prioritize regime survival.

Here’s a clearer, grounded way to think about it:

1. Where the “apocalypse” idea comes from​

Some of Iran’s leadership belongs to Twelver Shi’a Islam, which includes belief in the return of the Mahdi (a messianic figure). That belief can sound apocalyptic to outsiders.

  • However, mainstream Shi’a doctrine does not encourage humans to trigger the end times.
  • Even leaders like Ali Khamenei have framed religious ideas in ways that emphasize patience, not acceleration of apocalypse.

2. What their behavior actually shows​

If Iran’s leaders were suicidal or irrational, you’d expect reckless, self-destructive decisions. Instead, their pattern over decades suggests the opposite:

  • They avoided direct war with the much stronger United States despite major tensions.
  • They use proxies and indirect conflict (e.g., regional militias) to manage risk.
  • They entered and complied (for a time) with the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action, showing willingness to negotiate when it suited their interests.
  • Their primary goal appears to be regime survival and regional influence, not self-destruction.

3. Intelligence community consensus​

Assessments from U.S. and allied intelligence agencies have consistently concluded:

  • Iran’s leadership is cost-benefit driven, even if their values differ from Western ones.
  • They are deterrable—meaning they respond to threats and incentives.
  • They pursue power, security, and influence in ways typical of nation-states.

4. Why the “death cult” narrative persists​

This characterization often comes from:

  • Political rhetoric, especially during periods of heightened tension
  • Misinterpretation of religious language
  • Fear of Iran’s support for militant groups and hostility toward countries like Israel
Those concerns are real, but they don’t require the leaders to be irrational or suicidal.

Bottom line​

Iran’s clerical leadership is:

  • Highly ideological ✔️
  • Authoritarian and often aggressive regionally ✔️
  • But not suicidal or eager to trigger an apocalypse ❌
They behave much more like strategic, risk-aware actors trying to preserve and expand their power than like a group seeking mutual destruction.

If you want, I can break down how different factions inside Iran’s leadership think (they’re not all the same), which adds another layer to this.
 
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n_huffhines said:
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Gotta say... he's right you know.

I'm not rooting against our country, but I will say that our "adventures" in Iran are simply WRONG.

We need to GTFO now.

If Trump actually follows through with his threats of committing war crimes (I'm thinking he'll TACO per usual), 25A should be initiated. He's an unstable human being leading our country off a cliff.
 
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MontyPython said:
:rolleyes:

Let he who hath not sinned...

We supported a puppet leader (the Shah of Iran) who was overthrown due to the will of Iranian people. Who are we to choose the leader of another country?

Imperialism is a failed concept.

Are Iranian Mullah leaders a suicidal death cult bent on bringing about the apocalypse? Are the Mullahs sane and rational human beings?

Short answer: there’s no credible evidence that Iran’s clerical leadership is a “suicidal death cult.” Most experts—across intelligence agencies, academia, and even many critics of Iran—assess them as ideological but fundamentally rational actors who prioritize regime survival.

Here’s a clearer, grounded way to think about it:

1. Where the “apocalypse” idea comes from​

Some of Iran’s leadership belongs to Twelver Shi’a Islam, which includes belief in the return of the Mahdi (a messianic figure). That belief can sound apocalyptic to outsiders.

  • However, mainstream Shi’a doctrine does not encourage humans to trigger the end times.
  • Even leaders like Ali Khamenei have framed religious ideas in ways that emphasize patience, not acceleration of apocalypse.

2. What their behavior actually shows​

If Iran’s leaders were suicidal or irrational, you’d expect reckless, self-destructive decisions. Instead, their pattern over decades suggests the opposite:

  • They avoided direct war with the much stronger United States despite major tensions.
  • They use proxies and indirect conflict (e.g., regional militias) to manage risk.
  • They entered and complied (for a time) with the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action, showing willingness to negotiate when it suited their interests.
  • Their primary goal appears to be regime survival and regional influence, not self-destruction.

3. Intelligence community consensus​

Assessments from U.S. and allied intelligence agencies have consistently concluded:

  • Iran’s leadership is cost-benefit driven, even if their values differ from Western ones.
  • They are deterrable—meaning they respond to threats and incentives.
  • They pursue power, security, and influence in ways typical of nation-states.

4. Why the “death cult” narrative persists​

This characterization often comes from:

  • Political rhetoric, especially during periods of heightened tension
  • Misinterpretation of religious language
  • Fear of Iran’s support for militant groups and hostility toward countries like Israel
Those concerns are real, but they don’t require the leaders to be irrational or suicidal.

Bottom line​

Iran’s clerical leadership is:

  • Highly ideological ✔️
  • Authoritarian and often aggressive regionally ✔️
  • But not suicidal or eager to trigger an apocalypse ❌
They behave much more like strategic, risk-aware actors trying to preserve and expand their power than like a group seeking mutual destruction.

If you want, I can break down how different factions inside Iran’s leadership think (they’re not all the same), which adds another layer to this.
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If I had know Chat GPT was reliable for arguments on here I would have done it more lol
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
Those on the left havent changed. Those not ultra MAGA are oppossed to it. Many of his water carriers are nowhere around to defend it...
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No the fact of the matter is that both parties have changed. Not necessarily on here (of course I’m new so idk) but in the grand scheme of things both parties have shifted to the extreme, we wouldn’t be as divided as we are if both parties hadn’t changed
 
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GBO2011 said:
No the fact of the matter is that both parties have changed. Not necessarily on here (of course I’m new so idk) but in the grand scheme of things both parties have shifted to the extreme, we wouldn’t be as divided as we are if both parties hadn’t changed
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Its changed on here in the last 3 months. This has gone from a right wing echo chamber to not...
 
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