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BeardedVol said:
So explain the plan that has been espoused by Trump, and please cite your work, since Trump seems to have yet to settle on what he believes the goal of the operation is.
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Breaking News - BeardedVol wants Trump to tell him the goals of the operation to satisfy him.

Perhaps Trump realizes by stating an exact goal to leftist agitators and their cronies, it lessens the chances realizing those goals against a malevolent actor whose fanaticism would drive them to stay in it as long as they can so that those goals are not met.
 
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allstar34 said:
This is the ploy to have Iran attack even harder thinking they will win. Then Israel pushes the big button and doesn't have to feel bad because they are out of missiles. Then Iran is erased. Then gas goes back to normal prices. Then President Trump wins his 4th term (2020 was his too). Then we kick out all the muslim men. Then we keep all the pretty muslim ladies and kick out the ugly ones. Then Jeffery Epstein comes back and says it was all a distraction the whole time to keep lefties focused on him and not the war.
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You forgot to mention resolving the situation in the strait of Whore Moose.
 
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BreatheUT said:
Breaking News - BeardedVol wants Trump to tell him the goals of the operation to satisfy him.

Perhaps Trump realizes by stating an exact goal to leftist agitators and their cronies, it lessens the chances realizing those goals against a malevolent actor whose fanaticism would drive them to stay in it as long as they can so that those goals are not met.
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That's silly. The ways and means maybe but not the goals.
 
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Weezer said:
We've destroyed "their economy", such as it was, while harming our economy as well. Iran isn't winning, but neither are we. Victory is not bombing the crap out of them then leaving them to rebuild, only angrier at us now than before.
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You may be right that the majority of the people are angrier as we've seen the case in other old world countries, but Iran's population is less subservient but more of one being ruled by an iron fisted authoritarian theocratic regime that keeps them under their thumb.

We will find out if destroyed buildings ruled by a security state creates a backlash that is in line with historical norms for the region. It's hard to say and I wouldn't take the bet either way. 30k dead bodies in January may tell the worldia different story. I ain't a betting man though.
 
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Persian Vol said:
Estimates show 80% of the populace is anti regime. They have not been popular for a while. The issue is military crack down. Weeks ago prior to the war they were protesting in record breaking numbers, and as a result got massacred, with over 40,000 estimated dead. The IRGC consists of 200k carefully vetted soldiers whose entire existence in life is to protect the regime. Contrast that with the populace with zero weapons or training. Any uprising will lead to certain death, as shown. The government is corrupt and despicable. But to assume the Iranian people can meaningfully revolt is a lack of understanding of the true dynamic. It’s a hostage state.
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So we need to cut off the money funding them as an early step?
 
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BreatheUT said:
Breaking News - BeardedVol wants Trump to tell him the goals of the operation to satisfy him.

Perhaps Trump realizes by stating an exact goal to leftist agitators and their cronies, it lessens the chances realizing those goals against a malevolent actor whose fanaticism would drive them to stay in it as long as they can so that those goals are not met.
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One would think that you'd not have such waifish arms when you carry this much water all the time.

www.theguardian.com

Trump’s ever-changing rationale for war on Iran – how the story has shifted

Regime change, nuclear threat – or something else? US officials seem unable to land on one coherent reason for war
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
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If Trumpy wants boots on the ground in Iran, deploy ICE there. They've been strutting around in USA cities , dressed and acting like an elite military force. They can even use their masks there. Let's see how brave and patriotic they are. It's time.
 
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BreatheUT said:
Breaking News - BeardedVol wants Trump to tell him the goals of the operation to satisfy him.

Perhaps Trump realizes by stating an exact goal to leftist agitators and their cronies, it lessens the chances realizing those goals against a malevolent actor whose fanaticism would drive them to stay in it as long as they can so that those goals are not met.
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Yeah, imagine an American thinking he has a right to know why his country's at war . . .
 
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BreatheUT said:
Breaking News - BeardedVol wants Trump to tell him the goals of the operation to satisfy him.

Perhaps Trump realizes by stating an exact goal to leftist agitators and their cronies, it lessens the chances realizing those goals against a malevolent actor whose fanaticism would drive them to stay in it as long as they can so that those goals are not met.
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This is my favorite Trumpian concept. The goal of the war?

That's for him to know and you to find out.
 
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BreatheUT said:
Breaking News - BeardedVol wants Trump to tell him the goals of the operation to satisfy him.

Perhaps Trump realizes by stating an exact goal to leftist agitators and their cronies, it lessens the chances realizing those goals against a malevolent actor whose fanaticism would drive them to stay in it as long as they can so that those goals are not met.
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This is mind-blowing to read. Lol.
 
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Trump striking Iranian 'crown jewel' is like 'checkmate' on ayatollah, lawmaker says​


Rep. Michael McCaul, R-Texas, said that the U.S. bombing raid on Iran’s Kharg Island, home of the country’s largest oil terminal and a crucial hub for its crude exports, was like “checkmate” on the regime.
McCaul praised President Donald Trump’s strategy to target the major Iranian strategic asset during an appearance on “Fox News Sunday.”
“The attack on Kharg Island, which is a crown jewel, 90 percent of the exports out of Iran come from there. It is like a checkmate on the supreme leader,” he said.
He continued: “It was an absolutely brilliant military strategy. So the military objective is very clear, and it's going very well. The president could declare victory there.”
Trump on Friday said the strikes “obliterated” military targets on the island but did not target any oil infrastructure at the hub. The raid came as global energy markets remain rattled over security of the Strait of Hormuz, the world’s most important oil choke point.
McCaul, however, said he believes that Americans will see “the price of gas go way down” once the U.S. achieves its military objective.
“I think, again, controlling Kharg Island, controlling Venezuela and the oil energy exports there, long term, we're going have more control over energy in this world than we did before the invasion of Iran,” he said.
McCaul acknowledged that while there may be short term economic pain, “long term, it is going to put us far better off for not just my children, but for the future generations.”
 
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This war , beyond Benjamin Netanyahu, playing Trump for a sucker, and a puppet, nothing more than a bunch of rich White boys playing with action figures, and accessory toys. But it's costing real live soldiers lives, Americans, billions of dollars, and missery globally. John 8:44, Proverbs 6:16-19
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WoodsmanVol said:
This war , beyond Benjamin Netanyahu, playing Trump for a sucker, and a puppet, nothing more than a bunch of rich White boys playing with action figures, and accessory toys. But it's costing real live soldiers lives, Americans, billions of dollars, and missery globally. John 8:44, Proverbs 6:16-19
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A single American life lost to war is tragic. Never forget.

It comes with more dignity than standing around an airport after a chaotic withdrawal where the locals are draped on departing airplane wings and a 15th century barbarian detonates a bomb while our military men and women play traffic cop.
 
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Volbucky said:
You really believe everything you read don’t you? Impressive
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BreatheUT said:
Lap dog extraordinaire?
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Whoops

Steve Witkoff emptied his backpack on the conference table in his second-floor office, in the West Wing. He wanted to show me a pager given to him by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and senior officials of the Mossad. The pager commemorates the intricate operation in which Israel detonated handheld devices used by Hezbollah, the Iranian-sponsored Lebanese militant group, killing or maiming thousands of its operatives.
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