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FEARinSEC said:
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You sure? If we have it your way, it'll put us in the hole another 3-4 years. I know most that want Dooley fired now are living under the assumption that Gruden or some other "big name" coach will want the job. A little bit of a delusional take on things, and a little bit premature as well.

I do, however, feel that we will know by the end of this season whether Dooley is the right man for the job. Until then, It's best to let Hart deal with the decision making. All you "fans" who think your negativity spewing on a website is actually going to make a difference, well, that's delusional also.
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Yes, he is sure.:crazy: He is the biggest whiner on the board.:cray:
 
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You've got to put out the fire before you rebuild the house. Kiffin left Knoxville burning.

I'm trying my best to save my judgement on Dools until this season is completely over. But sooner or later, the man's got to win a game of substance to restore our confidence in him and the football program.
 
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Rudy123 said:
Johnny Major's first 5 years were losing seasons. He had to build the program from the ground up. The A.D. gave him the time to do so. Also, there were probably no "Buyout" clauses in coaching contracts in 1976.
I think Dooley needs more time.
I also see that we are on the verge of the breakthrough that we all want.
the reason I say that is in 2010, had the ref's not blown the LSU & UNC games, our record would have been a respectable 8 - 5.
In 2011, had we not had a thin roster to begin with, then had three key injuries to Bray, Hunter & Lathers, we would have beaten Ky,. and split with UGA & USC.
For an 8 - 5 record and a bowl game. Remember, Worley was q.b., hunter was out, Rogers was double teamed, and Lathers was out. Our depth was poor.
In 2012, if we had DaRick Rogers in the Florida game, we would have been able to substitute more and would not have been worn our in the 4th quarter. Depth is an issue.
In the UGA game, if we had had more depth, we could have substituted for Hunter & Patterson more and not had so many dropped balls due to them being tired.
Let's get some more depth and see what happens with Dooley then.
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I also agree D² should have time. Problem is that we're living in 2012, not 1976.

We are living in a immediate gratification era. We want to win and win now, not tomorrow. Time worked in the 70s but it just doesnt cut it now. Back in the day, the only grumbling came from those people you knew well. There was no internet, no chat boards, no call in radio sports shows. No where to vent frustration. Time was on the coach's side. Today if you dont win your first game there's a topic in some forum somewhere how that coach should be fired immediately. Is it right? No, but that's the era we live in.

Unfortunately D² doesnt have time. This is his 3rd year and progress has to be there or he's gone. Isnt right but that's the way the cfb world is today. A couple of bad years and potential recruits know of 119 other schools that are doing better right then.
 
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FEARinSEC said:
Location: REALITY

You sure? If we have it your way, it'll put us in the hole another 3-4 years. I know most that want Dooley fired now are living under the assumption that Gruden or some other "big name" coach will want the job. A little bit of a delusional take on things, and a little bit premature as well.

I do, however, feel that we will know by the end of this season whether Dooley is the right man for the job. Until then, It's best to let Hart deal with the decision making. All you "fans" who think your negativity spewing on a website is actually going to make a difference, well, that's delusional also.
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Friend, the reason that UTK could not get a premier level coach in 2010 was fourfold:

1. Money
2. Short notice
3. Depleted roster
4. Rampant speculation of impending NCAA sanctions perhaps even getting to lack of institutional control

None of those factors exist at this time except, maybe, money but somehow they always seem to find the money when they need to. Circumstances are changed and if we were looking for a head coach right now someone with Dooley's credentials and record would not even get an interview. I believe that UTK football is a great program and that great coaches want to work here, particularly when the job doesn't look like a career killer as it did in 2010. I'm not going to draw a truefan line in the sand, but if you believe in this program you should have faith that we can get the kind of coach that ALL of us can get behind.
 
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GoodoleRockyTop3 said:
Saw this sign in 1988 when we started out 0 - 6 and we called for Johnny Majors head....Called him a drunk, has been and blah blah blah.....3 years later when Major's was having health problems in comes Fulmer and our fanbase was divided because half wanted Fulmer the other said Fulmer played dirty pool!! 7 years later we won the NC!!

After that our expectations grew so high that no one could live up to them!! We were competitive between 1998 and 2007 with 2 bad years in between that every coach with any tenure has endured!!

2008 til 2010 was a debacle and an embarrassment to our football program!!

Derek Dooley is under fire and loved just like Fulmer....he is being held to the standard that Fulmer set by winning the National Championship and in 2 1/2 short seasons he is building something of the model Fulmer did in the mid 90's!! My dad didn't like Fulmer til the day he died for what he did to Johnny Majors and he was a ticket holder his entire adult life.....

What I am trying to say is that our fanbase gets everything we ask for...some cases good, some cases bad...Fulmer gone, Kiffin hired, Kiffin gone, Dooley hired!! We set ourselves up for failure and we sit here and complain and I am talking about the fanbase AND media!! Who would want to come to such a fickle fanbase?? What coach would say "That's Tennessee Football full of tradition and respect"!! We don't even respect what we have now and we are miles away from 2009

Derek Dooley has picked up this program and is showing progress every week!! He doesn't make all the right decisions and calls but it's a learning curve for him as well!! He had the balls to take this job when no other coach even wanted to touch it!!

I saw some competitive stuff last Saturday I haven't seen since 2004!! I saw a devastated locker room and that tells me we expected to win that game!! That's not been around here for a long, long time!! If we can go through the 80's and early 90's surely we can make it through this and give Coach Dooley time!!

1 or 2 more recruiting classes we will have the athletes Alabama, LSU, Florida and Georgia have...hell, we are competitive with what we got!!

Just had to get this off my chest!! I have watched this program for 35 years and I know 2008 through 2010 have got to be our worst years ever!! I saw the same growing pains in the mid 90's I am seeing now and that makes me smile and proud to be a Tennessee Vol!!

The last thing I would like to say is if we banned together and believed in and trusted where our football program is going....it would relieve some of the pressure that our media puts on our coaching staff and just maybe make it easier for our coaching staff to do their job!! GBO!!
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Good post with one exception. Majors build the program, Fulmer took over a very good team.

Sorry to hear about your dad. I agree with him 100% about Fulmer and Majors. Majors brought Fulmer into the program and ole Phil saw the opportunity and stabbed Johnny in the back.
 
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Gramps said:
Good post with one exception. Majors build the program, Fulmer took over a very good team.

Sorry to hear about your dad. I agree with him 100% about Fulmer and Majors. Majors brought Fulmer into the program and ole Phil saw the opportunity and stabbed Johnny in the back.
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LOL, you sound just like my dad!! Thanks for the memory!!
 
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jaxvol69 said:
sounds like my father, I lost him three months ago. Small world, i lived on Bear Valley Rd from 1999 to 2010. That is very close to Losco :hi:
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Sorry about your dad....but if he is like mine they are making deals with the Big Man about Tennessee football!!
 
#44
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Very well said. It's beyond me why some people don't get this.

VolunteerHillbilly said:
Friend, the reason that UTK could not get a premier level coach in 2010 was fourfold:

1. Money
2. Short notice
3. Depleted roster
4. Rampant speculation of impending NCAA sanctions perhaps even getting to lack of institutional control

None of those factors exist at this time except, maybe, money but somehow they always seem to find the money when they need to. Circumstances are changed and if we were looking for a head coach right now someone with Dooley's credentials and record would not even get an interview. I believe that UTK football is a great program and that great coaches want to work here, particularly when the job doesn't look like a career killer as it did in 2010. I'm not going to draw a truefan line in the sand, but if you believe in this program you should have faith that we can get the kind of coach that ALL of us can get behind.
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