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Don't know about the likelihood of this happening, but an interesting read nonetheless.


Researchers explore scrapping Internet

By ANICK JESDANUN, AP Internet Writer Fri Apr 13, 11:04 PM ET


NEW YORK - Although it has already taken nearly four decades to get this far in building the Internet, some university researchers with the federal government's blessing want to scrap all that and start over.

The idea may seem unthinkable, even absurd, but many believe a "clean slate" approach is the only way to truly address security, mobility and other challenges that have cropped up since UCLA professor Leonard Kleinrock helped supervise the first exchange of meaningless test data between two machines on Sept. 2, 1969.

The Internet "works well in many situations but was designed for completely different assumptions," said Dipankar Raychaudhuri, a Rutgers University professor overseeing three clean-slate projects. "It's sort of a miracle that it continues to work well today."
No longer constrained by slow connections and computer processors and high costs for storage, researchers say the time has come to rethink the Internet's underlying architecture, a move that could mean replacing networking equipment and rewriting software on computers to better channel future traffic over the existing pipes.

Even Vinton Cerf, one of the Internet's founding fathers as co-developer of the key communications techniques, said the exercise was "generally healthy" because the current technology "does not satisfy all needs."

One challenge in any reconstruction, though, will be balancing the interests of various constituencies. The first time around, researchers were able to toil away in their labs quietly. Industry is playing a bigger role this time, and law enforcement is bound to make its needs for wiretapping known.

There's no evidence they are meddling yet, but once any research looks promising, "a number of people (will) want to be in the drawing room," said Jonathan Zittrain, a law professor affiliated with Oxford and Harvard universities. "They'll be wearing coats and ties and spilling out of the venue."

The National Science Foundation wants to build an experimental research network known as the Global Environment for Network Innovations, or GENI, and is funding several projects at universities and elsewhere through Future Internet Network Design, or FIND.
Rutgers, Stanford, Princeton, Carnegie Mellon and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology are among the universities pursuing individual projects. Other government agencies, including the Defense Department, have also been exploring the concept.
The European Union has also backed research on such initiatives, through a program known as Future Internet Research and Experimentation, or FIRE. Government officials and researchers met last month in Zurich to discuss early findings and goals.
A new network could run parallel with the current Internet and eventually replace it, or perhaps aspects of the research could go into a major overhaul of the existing architecture.
These clean-slate efforts are still in their early stages, though, and aren't expected to bear fruit for another 10 or 15 years — assuming Congress comes through with funding.

Guru Parulkar, who will become executive director of Stanford's initiative after heading NSF's clean-slate programs, estimated that GENI alone could cost $350 million, while government, university and industry spending on the individual projects could collectively reach $300 million. Spending so far has been in the tens of millions of dollars.
And it could take billions of dollars to replace all the software and hardware deep in the legacy systems.
Clean-slate advocates say the cozy world of researchers in the 1970s and 1980s doesn't necessarily mesh with the realities and needs of the commercial Internet.

"The network is now mission critical for too many people, when in the (early days) it was just experimental," Zittrain said.

The Internet's early architects built the system on the principle of trust. Researchers largely knew one another, so they kept the shared network open and flexible — qualities that proved key to its rapid growth.


But spammers and hackers arrived as the network expanded and could roam freely because the Internet doesn't have built-in mechanisms for knowing with certainty who sent what.
The network's designers also assumed that computers are in fixed locations and always connected. That's no longer the case with the proliferation of laptops, personal digital assistants and other mobile devices, all hopping from one wireless access point to another, losing their signals here and there.

Engineers tacked on improvements to support mobility and improved security, but researchers say all that adds complexity, reduces performance and, in the case of security, amounts at most to bandages in a high-stakes game of cat and mouse.
Workarounds for mobile devices "can work quite well if a small fraction of the traffic is of that type," but could overwhelm computer processors and create security holes when 90 percent or more of the traffic is mobile, said Nick McKeown, co-director of Stanford's clean-slate program.

The Internet will continue to face new challenges as applications require guaranteed transmissions — not the "best effort" approach that works better for e-mail and other tasks with less time sensitivity.
Think of a doctor using teleconferencing to perform a surgery remotely, or a customer of an Internet-based phone service needing to make an emergency call. In such cases, even small delays in relaying data can be deadly.

And one day, sensors of all sorts will likely be Internet capable.

Rather than create workarounds each time, clean-slate researchers want to redesign the system to easily accommodate any future technologies, said Larry Peterson, chairman of computer science at Princeton and head of the planning group for the NSF's GENI.

Even if the original designers had the benefit of hindsight, they might not have been able to incorporate these features from the get-go. Computers, for instance, were much slower then, possibly too weak for the computations needed for robust authentication.

"We made decisions based on a very different technical landscape," said Bruce Davie, a fellow with network-equipment maker Cisco Systems Inc., which stands to gain from selling new products and incorporating research findings into its existing line.
"Now, we have the ability to do all sorts of things at very high speeds," he said. "Why don't we start thinking about how we take advantage of those things and not be constrained by the current legacy we have?"

Of course, a key question is how to make any transition — and researchers are largely punting for now.

"Let's try to define where we think we should end up, what we think the Internet should look like in 15 years' time, and only then would we decide the path," McKeown said. "We acknowledge it's going to be really hard but I think it will be a mistake to be deterred by that."

Kleinrock, the Internet pioneer at UCLA, questioned the need for a transition at all, but said such efforts are useful for their out-of-the-box thinking.
"A thing called GENI will almost surely not become the Internet, but pieces of it might fold into the Internet as it advances," he said.

Think evolution, not revolution.

Princeton already runs a smaller experimental network called PlanetLab, while Carnegie Mellon has a clean-slate project called 100 x 100.

These days, Carnegie Mellon professor Hui Zhang said he no longer feels like "the outcast of the community" as a champion of clean-slate designs.

Construction on GENI could start by 2010 and take about five years to complete. Once operational, it should have a decade-long lifespan.

FIND, meanwhile, funded about two dozen projects last year and is evaluating a second round of grants for research that could ultimately be tested on GENI.
These go beyond projects like Internet2 and National LambdaRail, both of which focus on next-generation needs for speed.

Any redesign may incorporate mechanisms, known as virtualization, for multiple networks to operate over the same pipes, making further transitions much easier. Also possible are new structures for data packets and a replacement of Cerf's TCP/IP communications protocols.

"Almost every assumption going into the current design of the Internet is open to reconsideration and challenge," said Parulkar, the NSF official heading to Stanford. "Researchers may come up with wild ideas and very innovative ideas that may not have a lot to do with the current Internet."
___ Associated Press Business Writer Aoife White in Brussels, Belgium, contributed to this report
 
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If it happens and I HIGHLY doubt it ever will, can they start with the Bama sites/forums?
 
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How does the Inventor of the Internet, Al Gore, feel about this?
believes we should find a way to do it without computers, because they use so much electricty. He's personally been working on a telepathic solution.
 
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I personally think this isn't a bad idea, but I would only support it if every computer in the world ran Linux for ALL their security features.
 
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Unfeasible. This is about like saying "The highway system in our country is broken. There are better ways to get traffic around. Let's dig it all up and start over." It is just too expensive.
 
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Unfeasible. This is about like saying "The highway system in our country is broken. There are better ways to get traffic around. Let's dig it all up and start over." It is just too expensive.

How about like saying, the railroad system in our country is broken, why not build roads and cars? We are really talking transportation of information and ideas - the history of the world is written by changes to transportation systems.

It won't be a sudden change but you can bet it will be something new.

Interesting article BTW
 
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How about like saying, the railroad system in our country is broken, why not build roads and cars? We are really talking transportation of information and ideas - the history of the world is written by changes to transportation systems.

It won't be a sudden change but you can bet it will be something new.

Interesting article BTW

It is one thing to say that you will slowly over time do upgrades... they've been doing this to the system all along. It is a whole other to say "Let's scrap it and start from scratch."
 
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The history of major innovations is one of disruption. An Internet replacement will come along, it will be slowly adopted in special situations then will experience rapid growth. Just as the Internet was a specialized application for decades until the killer app of web browsers and associated technology came along, the seeds of the Internet replacement are being sown as we speak.

This will not be upgrades - just as car/truck travel is not an upgrade to rail travel or rail travel was to water travel or air travel to....

The change will occur. Bank on it (literally).
 
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I think the word "scrap" is the problem. The Internet won't be "scrapped" as in the working system will be removed and a new system will be inserted.

Those working on the replacement are saying rather than look for ways to improve the Internet as it is (TCP/IP, etc.), they will start over from the problem - moving data between networks of computing devices. Just as vaccuum tubes reached their limits, some scientists worked (continue to work) on improving the performance of VT's and addressing the limitations (size, weight, heat, life, etc.). However, the real solution was the transistor; the integrated circuit. While it addresses the same issue, the VT had to be "scrapped" to develop the transistor. VT's weren't immediately replaced and they are still used today but in very specialized applications (music amplification being a big one).

This will happen with the Internet - the need to transmit data and connect computing devices (or whatever stores and accesses data) will still exist but the method of connection and transmission will change. As with most innovations, the adoption will be slow and specialized for a while then accelerate - this will happen while the Internet as we know it is still in existence - there will be many new approaches coexisting at the same time and eventually, one or a few will begin to replace the Internet until the Internet is relegated to the niche technology.
 
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This whole Al Gore thing cracks me up. Why is anyone surprised that things are mis-attributed to a political leader?

He said:

"During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet."

Of course, if you look into it you can see what he really meant.

But, this happens all the time like the statements about Bush being on "vacation" so much during his first year in office. There is some technical correctness to the statment (just as "creating the Internet") but in reality he was not on vacation.

I would imagine most people understand both these issues and continue to use these type comments as a joke rather than a statement of serious belief.
 
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I think the word "scrap" is the problem. The Internet won't be "scrapped" as in the working system will be removed and a new system will be inserted.

This will happen with the Internet - the need to transmit data and connect computing devices (or whatever stores and accesses data) will still exist but the method of connection and transmission will change. As with most innovations, the adoption will be slow and specialized for a while then accelerate - this will happen while the Internet as we know it is still in existence - there will be many new approaches coexisting at the same time and eventually, one or a few will begin to replace the Internet until the Internet is relegated to the niche technology.

I'm just working with what they gave me. :) Even when you use examples such as the rail system, or before that water transport, it doesn't really fit, because those systems have never been "scrapped." While I think radio transmission wireless solutions will become even more prevalent, such as using cell towers for data access with even more increased speeds over that which is available today, it doesn't change the fact that between those towers, fiber optics are needed.

The "backbones" of the internet today are fiber optic cable. These transmit large volumes of data at a very high speed. I think this is on the very edge of what is physically possible. While there may be advances in organization, and most certainly compression schemes (as there has been in the last 10 years allowing for mp3s and divx movies) the physical aspects of the internet aren't likely to change.

Just my opinion of course.
 
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I'm just working with what they gave me. :) Even when you use examples such as the rail system, or before that water transport, it doesn't really fit, because those systems have never been "scrapped." While I think radio transmission wireless solutions will become even more prevalent, such as using cell towers for data access with even more increased speeds over that which is available today, it doesn't change the fact that between those towers, fiber optics are needed.

The "backbones" of the internet today are fiber optic cable. These transmit large volumes of data at a very high speed. I think this is on the very edge of what is physically possible. While there may be advances in organization, and most certainly compression schemes (as there has been in the last 10 years allowing for mp3s and divx movies) the physical aspects of the internet aren't likely to change.

Just my opinion of course.

Semantics are always troubling. I would say that the rail system was "scrapped" by those developing cars. They weren't trying to improve trains but instead replace them. Rail systems do still exist but their role in transportation has diminished/shifted with the advent of newer innovations. Likewise, we will probably see some use of the Internet as we know it existing along side with whatever technologies replace it.

Another semantic quagmire - is fiber optic cable the Internet or an enabling technology? Wireless and satellite transmission is possible and used currently - advances here could have the same impact as roads did to train tracks. Incremental advances come from improving existing solutions to problems. Breakthrough advances come from creating entirely new solutions to problems. The key lies in defining the problem, not the solution. An old example I use in class - when you buy a 1/4" drill bit what you really want is a 1/4" hole! The drillbit is the current solution but it has it's own strengths and drawbacks. The companies that developed waterjet drilling technology or laser drilling technology "scrapped" the drill bit.

I do agree that there will not be a scrapping of the Internet in the sense that it will be "removed" and it's replacement inserted. However, the scientists working to improve the solutions to the problems we currently solve with the Internet are well served by "scrapping" the Internet as it now exists and trying to create an entirely new approach to the same issues. They will do it and the change will come.
 
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The "backbones" of the internet today are fiber optic cable. These transmit large volumes of data at a very high speed. I think this is on the very edge of what is physically possible.

I agree and the fact that fiber optic cable may be reaching it's limits is precisely the type phenomenon that breeds disruptive innovation.

There are diminishing returns to investing in the improvement of peaking technologies - more and more investment yields smaller and smaller advances.

If you have any interest in this topic - the work of Roger Foster (S-curves) or the work of Clayton Christensen (Innovator's Dilemma). The old Wiki has a mini-primer on Disruptive Innovations.

Disruptive technology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

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