Interesting take about UT WR Development

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SNAFU said:
I thought this was enlightening when looking at the Vols development of receivers when one scout gave his analysis of Brazzell II.

A freakishly athletic receiver from Tennessee is a draft tradition unlike any other. Brazzell is 6-feet-4 and runs a 4.34 40. Unfortunately, the “deep choice” Tennessee offense does not prepare players for the next level and actually develops bad habits. For example, when a receiver isn’t the primary, they are actually coached to loaf so they can have energy to go deep when their number is called, and there are plenty of “designed loafs” on Brazzell’s film. He lined up to the right and on the outside for a large majority of snaps. His route tree is a big, uncapitalized “t.” He’s either going deep, breaking outside or inside on a dig. Even though he played in the SEC, he’ll likely need a redshirt type of season before playing meaningful snaps.

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Hunerwadel said:
The above analysis sounds like someone who has an ax to grind. He is lying and doesn't know sht about football.

I don't claim to know the ins and outs of Tennessee's offense. But I do know that no one is ever coached to loaf. If a play is designed away from you then you get your ass down field and block, be in position to tackle an interceptor or pick up a fumble. You can't make a play if you're not around the football.

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Corrected your post.
 
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If yall have read enough of my posts you know I’m rarely slow to criticize coaches/players but I think this is stupid. Maybe the NFL needs to takes notes from Josh Heupel on this one. His offenses are consistently among the best in college football and the offense has proven to work well enough against great defenses to beat anyone. If it takes a “designed loaf” to beat a cornerback for 6 then I say loaf your heart out. The idea that our receivers are suffering in the NFL because they took a few plays off by design is absurd
 
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Hunerwadel said:
The above analysis sounds like someone who has an ax to grind. He is lying or doesn't know sht about football.

I don't claim to know the ins and outs of Tennessee's offense. But I do know that no one is ever coached to loaf. If a play is designed away from you then you get your ass down field and block, be in position to tackle an interceptor or pick up a fumble. You can't make a play if you're not around the football.

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No we definitely have plays that are designed for 1/2 the field which allows our WRs on the opposite side to catch their breath. It usually shows up as them pretending to run block and it’s one of the main reasons why we are so effective at running an up tempo offense. A wise NFL coach would takes notes and experiment with it themselves. This scout is retarded.
 
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WillisWG said:
Not sure Ced has been healthy enough to make much of an impact. Thumb injury, couple of concussions, hamstring...just goes on.

someone else's take on JH.

Hyatt’s defining trait has always been speed. Not good speed — game-altering speed. When he played at Tennessee, he thrived primarily out of the slot (87% of snaps as a senior), where free releases and open space allowed him to burn safeties vertically and horizontally.

Rather than building packages that mirrored Hyatt’s collegiate success, New York consistently deployed him outside against press coverage — asking a lean, speed-based receiver to win physically at the line of scrimmage. After playing 88.3% of snaps out wide in 2023, that number rose to 89.6% in 2024, and remains at 81.4% of snaps this season.

The result was predictable: stalled routes, disrupted timing, and a receiver who looked increasingly uncomfortable within the structure of the offense. Hyatt has looked sloppy running his routes and has been known to drop many of the limited passes that now come in his direction.

Instead of accentuating Hyatt’s strengths, the Giants neutralized them. His yards per reception have dropped dramatically, his target share has shrunk, and his role has devolved into situational snaps rather than designed opportunities. For a player whose value is tied to defensive fear, that’s football malpractice.
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So first thing this is AI so I shouldn’t even be responding. (Ran it through an AI detector) but nevertheless Hyatt has to be worth building around.

If his route running is lacking then the speed alone will not set him apart. John Ross was even faster but having just speed isn’t enough. His package is lacking in multiple departments.

Every single scout and evaluator says the same thing about WRs and our offense. I have no problem with it because not every system will spit out players to the NFL. There will always be areas lacking.

A good WR from our playbook can make the NFL and do well but it will be in spite of and not because of.

All that said tell me this.. why would you use an AI generator for a message board? lol.
 
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bpalmer28 said:
If yall have read enough of my posts you know I’m rarely slow to criticize coaches/players but I think this is stupid. Maybe the NFL needs to takes notes from Josh Heupel on this one. His offenses are consistently among the best in college football and the offense has proven to work well enough against great defenses to beat anyone. If it takes a “designed loaf” to beat a cornerback for 6 then I say loaf your heart out. The idea that our receivers are suffering in the NFL because they took a few plays off by design is absurd
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One of the biggest differences between college and NFL is the hash marks. In the NFL, the hash marks are 18 feet away from each other. In college, it’s 40 feet. So that extra space gives offenses the advantage to spread the formations and create mismatches in the run and pass game.

It’s a great system in college to run an air raid, veer and shoot or spread type of offense but that doesn’t really exist at the NFL level because of the hash marks. With less space to operate, receivers have to be more polished and precise in their route running.

As it relates to Heupel, very few receivers from the veer and shoot have panned out in the NFL, not just Tennessee guys. But until Heupel produces an Elite WR like a Ja’Marr Chase or Jaxon Smith-Njigba, there will always be questions as to how our scheme translates to the next level.

I like Brazzell and he’ll be a day 2 pick most likely. And we’ve done a good job recruiting WRs the last 2-3 years. But we need a first round pick WR that changes the landscape and changes the narrative about the “gimmick offense” that “doesn’t translate” to the pros.
 
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Hairy Vols said:
So first thing this is AI so I shouldn’t even be responding. (Ran it through an AI detector) but nevertheless Hyatt has to be worth building around.

If his route running is lacking then the speed alone will not set him apart. John Ross was even faster but having just speed isn’t enough. His package is lacking in multiple departments.

Every single scout and evaluator says the same thing about WRs and our offense. I have no problem with it because not every system will spit out players to the NFL. There will always be areas lacking.

A good WR from our playbook can make the NFL and do well but it will be in spite of and not because of.

All that said tell me this.. why would you use an AI generator for a message board? lol.
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My only pushback would be if you’re a WR prospect and you want the best chance at making the NFL, while developing the requisite skillset, would you pick an Ohio State, LSU, Bama or Tennessee?

Ohio State is on a ridiculous run of WRs and supposedly we were close to landing Carnell Tate but he chose the Buckeyes and is going to be a 🔝 10-15 pick. LSU had 2 first round wideouts in 24’ and Bama at one point had 4 first rounders in 2 years.

If we want to enter the conversation of ELITE, we need a proof of concept WR to break the stereotype of what our offense is.
 
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SNAFU said:
I thought this was enlightening when looking at the Vols development of receivers when one scout gave his analysis of Brazzell II.

A freakishly athletic receiver from Tennessee is a draft tradition unlike any other. Brazzell is 6-feet-4 and runs a 4.34 40. Unfortunately, the “deep choice” Tennessee offense does not prepare players for the next level and actually develops bad habits. For example, when a receiver isn’t the primary, they are actually coached to loaf so they can have energy to go deep when their number is called, and there are plenty of “designed loafs” on Brazzell’s film. He lined up to the right and on the outside for a large majority of snaps. His route tree is a big, uncapitalized “t.” He’s either going deep, breaking outside or inside on a dig. Even though he played in the SEC, he’ll likely need a redshirt type of season before playing meaningful snaps.

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That’s a dumb take. NFL teams run option routes and telling a guy to take off on a specific play doesn’t mean he’s going to learn to take off on other plays
 
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It’s a very lazy take and proof that the Athletic is just the waterboy for one of our rivals, I’m guessing Kirby. An honest assessment would reveal that Kirby , having coached at Georgia twice as long as Josh has at UT, and with the benefit of dozens of five star prep WRs who barely even need development, has produced what in the NFL? Headcase George Pickens is his sole highlight with McConkey and Hardman as solid contributors. I bet Georgia runs a pure pro-friendly system that develops receivers, per the Athletic, though.
 
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