interesting read on govolsxtra.com today...

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lacrossepro70 said:
Turk McBride would have been a great DT/DE w.e you want to call it at the 3-4. I don't know about using it this year though. You're supposed to have really really big linebackers. Take the cowboys for example. Leonard Little would have been a stud at it at UT.
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Will Overstreet as well.
 
#52
#52
The experience factor within a defensive system is completely overblown.

Think about this. Most kids come from a high school where they've been involved in one system for (usually) as few as four years and as many as twelve. They come to UT and all have to learn that system. Using the "no experience" idea, that would suggest that no one who isn't a sophomore or older would ever be able to succeed. Of course, UT's history over the last 12-15 years suggests that hasn't been the case at all, as there have been numerous freshmen who have made enormous impacts.

A 3-4 is not substantially different from a 4-3. Michigan, for example, ran a 4-3 in which both ends played outside the OT's outside shoulder, one DT on the guard's outside shoulder, and the other DT (or NT) shaded on the shoulder of the center opposite of his partner. This is a contrast to the teams that run a 4-3 with both DTs head-up on the guard. What the DT has to do is dramatically different in those two versions of a somewhat similar defense.

As far as what previous players would have done in a 3-4 at UT, it depends more on who's up front and less on who's at LB. The whole idea is to allow the LBs to roam freer than they would in a 4-3, but certain coaches have certain ways of doing things. Look at how many different methods of blocking are taught; all of them are incorrect except for mine.:yes:
 
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justingroves said:
Spoken like a true coach :)
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It's not my fault I do the research and make sure my guys do it properly. If there's one thing I've never liked, it's hearing "That's the way it's always been done" as the response to a legitimate question. If that answer meant anything, there'd still be shoulder blocking and nothing else, and Mel Hein would be the biggest lineman in history.

Instead, thanks to dedicated souls, there have been forms of blocking (among other things) that happen to be ideally suited for any situation or scenario. My own adjustments into what I call "perfection" come from having coached the defensive line with the same mentality and determining what blocking style would be most difficult for a defensive lineman to encounter and fight against. That's in addition to simply knowing basic physics.

So, for those of you out there who would like to coach somewhere down the road, NEVER take "it's always been done that way" as a final answer on anything. Nothing in life is honed to perfection, so always strive to advance your craft closer to perfection.

And if you want to learn how to block well, come see me. I'll be at the Orange and White game, possibly wearing orange (and if not that, orange on a gray shirt).:p
 
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#55
lacrossepro70 said:
So is it a better defense for a faster team I'm guessing than a big slow team?
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In my opinion, yes it is, but like justingroves says:

Agreed. The DL in the 3-4 causes car wrecks at the line and lets the LBs run wild.

AND:You have to have a smart team that plays their roles and doesn't try to do too much.
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My D-coord runs it, because we have players on the line quick enough to drop into coverage for a zone blitz. We also have players that are smaller than some other teams, so we have to use their quickness to raise cain on the d-line. Smaller, quicker d-linemen frustrate and confuse bigger o-linemen if they execute properly. A great example of this is Dwight Freeney.
 
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#60
#60
the only thing i took from that article was a recognition that we were much deeper and talented at LB and they may make the change in scheme simply as a result of the personnel on hand........

and from reading many a post on this forum, you'd think that'd be a welcome change....you know, playing to your strengths, putting your best players on the feild etc...

so in that respect, i happen to applaud it.

plus, given the types of offenses we may see this coming season, a faster defense that can go from hash to hash or side line to sideline may be what is needed to slow down some of these speedy spread option teams.

...you never know, this may work just fine....
 
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Ohio Vol said:
The experience factor within a defensive system is completely overblown.

Think about this. Most kids come from a high school where they've been involved in one system for (usually) as few as four years and as many as twelve. They come to UT and all have to learn that system. Using the "no experience" idea, that would suggest that no one who isn't a sophomore or older would ever be able to succeed. Of course, UT's history over the last 12-15 years suggests that hasn't been the case at all, as there have been numerous freshmen who have made enormous impacts.

A 3-4 is not substantially different from a 4-3. Michigan, for example, ran a 4-3 in which both ends played outside the OT's outside shoulder, one DT on the guard's outside shoulder, and the other DT (or NT) shaded on the shoulder of the center opposite of his partner. This is a contrast to the teams that run a 4-3 with both DTs head-up on the guard. What the DT has to do is dramatically different in those two versions of a somewhat similar defense.

As far as what previous players would have done in a 3-4 at UT, it depends more on who's up front and less on who's at LB. The whole idea is to allow the LBs to roam freer than they would in a 4-3, but certain coaches have certain ways of doing things. Look at how many different methods of blocking are taught; all of them are incorrect except for mine.:yes:
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I may be a complete geek, but I find stuff like that fascinating.
 
#62
#62
jakez4ut said:
the only thing i took from that article was a recognition that we were much deeper and talented at LB and they may make the change in scheme simply as a result of the personnel on hand........

and from reading many a post on this forum, you'd think that'd be a welcome change....you know, playing to your strengths, putting your best players on the feild etc...

so in that respect, i happen to applaud it.

plus, given the types of offenses we may see this coming season, a faster defense that can go from hash to hash or side line to sideline may be what is needed to slow down some of these speedy spread option teams.

...you never know, this may work just fine....
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I agree with the earlier comments in this thread, that UT doesn't have anyone who can play nose guard effectively. UT doesnt have 2 defensive lineman in a 3-4 who can effectively handle a double team for an entire game. Effectively this is expected for a 3 man defensive front against 5 offensive lineman.

From what I've read the advantage of a 3-4 is it is easier to disguise blitzes and get more pressure on the passer. I think run defense will be a bigger worry then QB pressure.
 
#63
#63
oklavol said:
I agree with the earlier comments in this thread, that UT doesn't have anyone who can play nose guard effectively. UT doesnt have 2 defensive lineman in a 3-4 who can effectively handle a double team for an entire game. Effectively this is expected for a 3 man defensive front against 5 offensive lineman.

From what I've read the advantage of a 3-4 is it is easier to disguise blitzes and get more pressure on the passer. I think run defense will be a bigger worry then QB pressure.
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i don't disagree with that at all. but the same would be true if we ran a 4-3 don't ya think? i think we already know that our front four won't be generating a pass rush in and of itself. any qb pressure we are able to bring will be from a scheme, and not overall physcial ability......
 
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#64
Sheer numbers and the 'put the best talent on the field' mindset, both point to giving 3-4 a look.

For me, the fact that both the offense and defense are experimenting with the very things that most cry havoc that we never try, is a great thing to see.

I've no idea what we'll be showing come September. I do however know that SEC East coaches are giving the possibilities of what they read about us, ample consideration. Failing to give credence to new looks from Tennessee coaches could be a costly lapse of judgement.
 
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orange+white=heaven said:
Sheer numbers and the 'put the best talent on the field' mindset, both point to giving 3-4 a look.

For me, the fact that both the offense and defense are experimenting with the very things that most cry havoc that we never try, is a great thing to see.

I've no idea what we'll be showing come September. I do however know that SEC East coaches are giving the possibilities of what they read about us, ample consideration. Failing to give credence to new looks from Tennessee coaches could be a costly lapse of judgement.
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:thumbsup:
 
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