interesting read on govolsxtra.com today...

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#26
stlrcoach said:
Casey Hampton IS NOT at DT. He's a nose tackle. He's big, but he can still move. You can get by with a small NT if he has technique.
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Depending on who's terminology you use, he is both a DT and a NT. If you want me to use your terminology, then here:

UT doesn't have anyone that can play NT in a 3-4 scheme.
 
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#27
kptvol said:
Depending on who's terminology you use, he is both a DT and a NT.
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Read what I said before, there is a NT and 2 DT's in the 3-4. A DT in the 3-4 is a cross between a true DT and a DE. Dude, I've been coaching this game for a very long time, and I run the 3-4 religiously on my teams.

It's not my terminology. It's the standard coaching terminology for defensive schemes.
 
#28
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stlrcoach said:
Read what I said before, there is a NT and 2 DT's in the 3-4. A DT in the 3-4 is a cross between a true DT and a DE. Dude, I've been coaching this game for a very long time, and I run the 3-4 religiously on my teams.
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That's great. However, quite a few coaches refer to it as 2 DE's and 1 DT/NT. You obviously have your own thing, which is perfectly acceptable terminology. It's not the only terminology, however. If there aren't DE's in a 3-4, then why do the Steelers have so many on their roster? The Steelers run the 3-4, but they call their linemen as 1 NT and 2 DEs. I've seen many other systems refer to the NT as the DT. We just got our signals crossed. No big deal.

Official site of the Pittsburgh Steelers - Roster
 
#29
#29
langley and bolden both have the size, maybe mapu as well if he is still in that 290 range. but i don't know that any of them could play nose tackle.
 
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#30
kptvol said:
That's great. However, quite a few coaches refer to it as 2 DE's and 1 DT/NT. You obviously have your own thing, which is perfectly acceptable terminology. It's not the only terminology, however. If there aren't DE's in a 3-4, then why do the Steelers have so many on their roster? The Steelers run the 3-4, but they call their linemen as 1 NT and 2 DEs. I've seen many other systems refer to the NT as the DT. We just got our signals crossed. No big deal.

Official site of the Pittsburgh Steelers - Roster
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No prob! I just wanted you to understand where I was coming from. The reason it might be that way on the team website now is that Mike Tomlin is changing the defense to a 4-3 instead of a 3-4. Which I personally think is a mistake, because of the personnel they already have, but he is a 4-3 coach by nature. That's one of the reasons they didn't work too hard to keep psycho Joey.
 
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#31
stlrcoach said:
No prob! I just wanted you to understand where I was coming from. The reason it might be that way on the team website now is that Mike Tomlin is changing the defense to a 4-3 instead of a 3-4.
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Right you are. I've heard of the DE-NT-DE or DE-DT-DE 3-4 stuff, but I haven't heard it referred to as DT-NT-DT before. I guess tomato-tomato. We all get the idea 3 linemen 4 linebackers. Bigger guys in the middle.
 
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#35
yeah, but i refer you to my second post, i now understand that there is another line of thinking as to the positions being played in the 3-4, the DT/NT/DT thing makes sense to me though.
 
#36
#36
emainvol said:
yeah, but i refer you to my second post, i now understand that there is another line of thinking as to the positions being played in the 3-4, the DT/NT/DT thing makes sense to me though.
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I believe the reason it's listed dt-nt-dt in MOST versions (that's for you kptvol) is because of the position shifts it comes from (for the most part) If you have a small(ish) defense, shift ths DE's to linebacker, DT's out one gap, and find the crazy person on the team that is also a masochist, put him at NT, and tell him to eat up a center/guard double team.
 
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#37
yep...usually, DTs or DT/DE tweeners make the best outside linemen in a 3-4.

DEs and LB/DE tweeners make good OLBs in a 3-4 scheme. They've gotta be good pass rushers.

I think everyone is agreeing on the role of each position...just disagreeing on the terminology.

When I played, we referred to the linemen as DE-NT-DE.
 
#38
#38
Jaytrain5 said:
yep...usually, DTs or DT/DE tweeners make the best outside linemen in a 3-4.

DEs and LB/DE tweeners make good OLBs in a 3-4 scheme. They've gotta be good pass rushers.

I think everyone is agreeing on the role of each position...just disagreeing on the terminology.

When I played, we referred to the linemen as DE-NT-DE.
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Where did you play? Not to argue, I'm just curious where and when if you don't mind sharing.
 
#41
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stlrcoach said:
I believe the reason it's listed dt-nt-dt in MOST versions
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I'm not so sure. I feel like most NFL 3-4 teams refer to it as DE-NT-DE. That's where I've been familiarized with the 3-4, since it's not as common in the college game.
 
#42
#42
kptvol said:
I'm not so sure. I feel like most NFL 3-4 teams refer to it as DE-NT-DE. That's where I've been familiarized with the 3-4, since it's not as common in the college game.
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Hey I was just yanking your chain on that last post! I'm not still arguing about it!:mf_surrender:
 
#45
#45
stlrcoach,

It's just a matter of semantics. It's no different than there being a 50/50 split between calling Navy's offense a double-wing and a double-slot. Of course, there's a few like Bob Davie who call it a 2-A back system, but he's a blowhard anyway. It's like the way that Nebraska always listed their receivers as split ends and flankers.

Personally I'm not great fan of the 3-4 or its cousin the 50. And we always called the combo DE/LB a "flex" anyway, so I guess I'm extra right.:dance:
 
#46
#46
I just don't buy 3-4. From what I read lately, I see our D line would be no worse than last year. And just as what others said, we have no experience to run 3-4, our personnel is not built on 3-4. It would be a disaster if we did run 3-4 next year.
 
#47
#47
Ohio Vol said:
stlrcoach,

It's just a matter of semantics. It's no different than there being a 50/50 split between calling Navy's offense a double-wing and a double-slot. Of course, there's a few like Bob Davie who call it a 2-A back system, but he's a blowhard anyway. It's like the way that Nebraska always listed their receivers as split ends and flankers.

Personally I'm not great fan of the 3-4 or its cousin the 50. And we always called the combo DE/LB a "flex" anyway, so I guess I'm extra right.:dance:
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Agreed. The DL in the 3-4 causes car wrecks at the line and lets the LBs run wild. Is that a good enough explanation for people?
 
#48
#48
Turk McBride would have been a great DT/DE w.e you want to call it at the 3-4. I don't know about using it this year though. You're supposed to have really really big linebackers. Take the cowboys for example. Leonard Little would have been a stud at it at UT.
 
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