Interesting Feldman article.

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Bruce Feldman has an espn Insider article right now that I found really interesting.

I'm not gonna link the whole thing, but here is a brief excerpt.

(Feldman is interviewing Clay Travis)
As someone who has followed Vol football all of your life, to what do you attribute UT's rapid decline in Fulmer's last few years?



Travis: I think that David Cutcliffe and Phil Fulmer were a tremendous team for years. If you break down Fulmer's record without Cutcliffe, in the years between 1999 and 2005, and then add in 2008, it's substantially different than when the two were together. Fulmer ran into major difficulties by 2005, with the 5-6 campaign, but Cutcliffe returned and the Vols went 19-8 over the two years prior to 2008. Several players told me that if Duke doesn't hire Cutcliffe, and he returns and runs the exact same offense as in 2007, the team would have won 9 or 10 games minimum. I think that's probably accurate.

I don't know if he talked about this in his book, but I think it is pretty interesting. It makes you wonder, if this year's offense clicks, maybe we could end up being pretty good.
 
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UTHorsey said:
Bruce Feldman has an espn Insider article right now that I found really interesting.

I'm not gonna link the whole thing, but here is a brief excerpt.

(Feldman is interviewing Clay Travis)
As someone who has followed Vol football all of your life, to what do you attribute UT's rapid decline in Fulmer's last few years?



Travis: I think that David Cutcliffe and Phil Fulmer were a tremendous team for years. If you break down Fulmer's record without Cutcliffe, in the years between 1999 and 2005, and then add in 2008, it's substantially different than when the two were together. Fulmer ran into major difficulties by 2005, with the 5-6 campaign, but Cutcliffe returned and the Vols went 19-8 over the two years prior to 2008. Several players told me that if Duke doesn't hire Cutcliffe, and he returns and runs the exact same offense as in 2007, the team would have won 9 or 10 games minimum. I think that's probably accurate.

I don't know if he talked about this in his book, but I think it is pretty interesting. It makes you wonder, if this year's offense clicks, maybe we could end up being pretty good.
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Sounds like sour grapes on the part of those players... who knows what magic Cut could or couldn't have done with JC/NS/BJC.
 
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Can u link that whole article?? That is interesting
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Easily would have won 10 games. UCLA / Wyoming / Auburn would have been wins without a doubt and possibly even Georgia.
 
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i dont think it is sour grapes, i think cut would have won more games.
Having said that an OC shouldnt make or break an HC.
 
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The article is exactly right. Cut was a master of a quarterback coach. Ainge was worse than Crompton his sophmore year. When Cut came back and broke Ainge down and rebuilt him, he was a different player. If you look at the records, Fulmer was successful under Cut, not under Sanders and Clawson. We had some success under Sanders only because he ran the same system as Cut with players Cut had trained. When those players ran out we were 5-6.
 
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was ainge worse than crompton?
ainge at least had one solid seasons. The 05 offense was really bad, but not near as bad as last season
 
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WinchesterVol said:
The article is exactly right. Cut was a master of a quarterback coach. Ainge was worse than Crompton his sophmore year. When Cut came back and broke Ainge down and rebuilt him, he was a different player. If you look at the records, Fulmer was successful under Cut, not under Sanders and Clawson. We had some success under Sanders only because he ran the same system as Cut with players Cut had trained. When those players ran out we were 5-6.
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if he was so masterful why did he teach his qb to hand the ball off backwards? And how great is he if his offense consisted of "if you get to 2 Mississippi throw the ball to the stands" from Ainge.

Fulmer and Cut were good together but you know he saw the issues with our OL and QB but said nothing. The lack of depth with our team is on his shoulders as well.
 
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Does this really surprise anyone? All you have to do is look at Fulmer's record with and without Cutcliffe, and it pretty much tells you all you need to know about Fulmer. He got all the credit when things were good, found a scapegoat or two when things were bad, then it finally caught up to him.
 
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I don't see how anybody that watched the 2007 game in Alabama would think that everything would have been fine with this team if only Cutcliffe had stayed. I don't doubt that we would have won more games last year, but the Fulmer/Cutcliffe/Chavis combination was prettty clearly played out.

Clawson was a two- or three-year, forward-looking hire made by a guy who didn't realize that he didn't have two or three years to play with. I don't know why people have to make it much more complicated than that.
 
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velovol said:
was ainge worse than crompton?
ainge at least had one solid seasons. The 05 offense was really bad, but not near as bad as last season
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Ainge had two "good" seasons in my opinion. His freshman and senior years were pretty impressive.
 
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utvolpj said:
if he was so masterful why did he teach his qb to hand the ball off backwards? And how great is he if his offense consisted of "if you get to 2 Mississippi throw the ball to the stands" from Ainge.

Fulmer and Cut were good together but you know he saw the issues with our OL and QB but said nothing. The lack of depth with our team is on his shoulders as well.
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Cut was probably tired of the dead weight on the staff----you noticed when he returned in 06 --he brought some of HIS guys in. No other schools ever went after our staffers---indicating they didn't have it. If you have assistants being sought after each year, you have good assistants. When Cut left---so did the disclipline. I don't include the Chief in that---"Saved Phil's bacon"--CJM
 
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saved his bacon? Chavis failed to stop some of the worst offenses in the country last year. Had he been able to do that his buddy might still be employed. Plus he never recruited so he was only half a coach
 
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WinchesterVol said:
The article is exactly right. Cut was a master of a quarterback coach. Ainge was worse than Crompton his sophmore year. When Cut came back and broke Ainge down and rebuilt him, he was a different player. If you look at the records, Fulmer was successful under Cut, not under Sanders and Clawson. We had some success under Sanders only because he ran the same system as Cut with players Cut had trained. When those players ran out we were 5-6.
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If Cut left in 98... by 2002 the players he trained would have been gone. We had a couple of years of marginal success that don't explain the fallouts of 2005 and 2008.
 
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Volfan8282 said:
Ainge had two "good" seasons in my opinion. His freshman and senior years were pretty impressive.
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I thought his Junior year was pretty darn good, possibly better then his Senior year when he was battling a broken finger and a messed up shoulder from the spear he took in the back against Cal.
 
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VolinDawgland said:
I thought his Junior year was pretty darn good, possibly better then his Senior year when he was battling a broken finger and a messed up shoulder from the spear he took in the back against Cal.
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Yeah his sophomore year was his really only bad year. The problem with his junior year was that he was a statue in the pocket and got sacked like crazy.
 
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tidwell said:
Is this a serious question?
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rhetorical, i would take ainge 05, over crompton 07


Ainge had two "good" seasons in my opinion. His freshman and senior years were pretty impressive.
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I was pointing out that he had a solid freshman season so many fans had confidence that he could turn it around his junior season.

Cromptons biggest wins are UK and UAB. His best game was a loss to LSU in which he had Meachem to throw to.
 
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JohnWardForever said:
If you have assistants being sought after each year, you have good assistants. When Cut left---so did the disclipline. I don't include the Chief in that---"Saved Phil's bacon"--CJM
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except for Caldwell, last years staff has all been hired. OC became a HC and the DC got a 150K increase in salary for same job.

was time for a change at UT but the staff must be good if they landed jobs.

How do you know they were never sought?? Just curious..
 
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Clay Travis

Even still, I'd love to know whether Kiffin could have placed Memphis, Nashville and Knoxville in the correct geographic regions of the state before he was hired as Tennessee's head coach.
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:crazy::crazy:

Kiffin has been to Tennessee several times...to recruit Patrick Turner and to coach against the Titans as a Jag assisant and Raiders HC, and was in the Liberty bowl as a CSU assistant in 1999.
 
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LWSVOL said:
except for Caldwell, last years staff has all been hired. OC became a HC and the DC got a 150K increase in salary for same job.
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Wow, that's surprising to me. Caldwell wouldn't have been the first, second, or third guy I would've guessed if you'd told me all but one of the former assistants had been hired elsewhere.
 
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UTHorsey said:
Bruce Feldman has an espn Insider article right now that I found really interesting.

I'm not gonna link the whole thing, but here is a brief excerpt.

(Feldman is interviewing Clay Travis)
As someone who has followed Vol football all of your life, to what do you attribute UT's rapid decline in Fulmer's last few years?



Travis: I think that David Cutcliffe and Phil Fulmer were a tremendous team for years. If you break down Fulmer's record without Cutcliffe, in the years between 1999 and 2005, and then add in 2008, it's substantially different than when the two were together. Fulmer ran into major difficulties by 2005, with the 5-6 campaign, but Cutcliffe returned and the Vols went 19-8 over the two years prior to 2008. Several players told me that if Duke doesn't hire Cutcliffe, and he returns and runs the exact same offense as in 2007, the team would have won 9 or 10 games minimum. I think that's probably accurate.

I don't know if he talked about this in his book, but I think it is pretty interesting. It makes you wonder, if this year's offense clicks, maybe we could end up being pretty good.
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I think Fulmer, Cut and Chavis, had liek an 82% winning percentage as a staff
 
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