Interesting article on recruiting about our 2005 class

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Most Overrated Recruiting Class – Tennessee’s No. 1 2005 Class
It’s not that this 2005 Vols class turned out terribly, it just didn’t nearly live up to the expectations of that early Wednesday in February 2005. When then-coach Phillip Fulmer finally announced his class, it looked like a new era at Tennessee would emerge. The Vols’ faithful had good reason to believe the SEC championship and another national championship were within grasp, considering the talent they had pulled in since 2002. With five-star quarterback Jonathan Crompton, cornerback Demetrice Morley, running backs LaMarcus Coker and Montario Hardesty, wide receiver Slick Shelley, tight end Jeff Cottam and linebacker Rico McCoy all donning Orange, everyone had good reason to believe the Vols’ drought without a conference title since 1998 would come to an end. Instead, an unexpected end came into view. Crompton never lived up to his SuperPrep Elite 50 status, and didn’t lead the Vols to anything but mediocrity, while the tenures of Morley, Shelley and Coker in Knoxville were short-lived. Fulmer was fired Nov. 2, 2008. Crompton’s best season came in 2009, when he finished with 26 touchdowns and only 12 interceptions. The Vols went 7-6, losing to Virginia Tech in the Chick-fil-A Bowl, where Crompton was a mediocre 15/26 for 235 yards with one touchdown and one interception. Interestingly, with all the hyped recruits that Tennessee signed that year, it almost didn’t seem to matter that they lost out on Elite 50 wide receiver Patrick Turner (USC, drafted in the third round by the Miami Dolphins in 2009) and offensive lineman and Sandra Bullock’s

this from Scout.com
 
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bryhez said:
Most Overrated Recruiting Class – Tennessee’s No. 1 2005 Class
It’s not that this 2005 Vols class turned out terribly, it just didn’t nearly live up to the expectations of that early Wednesday in February 2005. When then-coach Phillip Fulmer finally announced his class, it looked like a new era at Tennessee would emerge. The Vols’ faithful had good reason to believe the SEC championship and another national championship were within grasp, considering the talent they had pulled in since 2002. With five-star quarterback Jonathan Crompton, cornerback Demetrice Morley, running backs LaMarcus Coker and Montario Hardesty, wide receiver Slick Shelley, tight end Jeff Cottam and linebacker Rico McCoy all donning Orange, everyone had good reason to believe the Vols’ drought without a conference title since 1998 would come to an end. Instead, an unexpected end came into view. Crompton never lived up to his SuperPrep Elite 50 status, and didn’t lead the Vols to anything but mediocrity, while the tenures of Morley, Shelley and Coker in Knoxville were short-lived. Fulmer was fired Nov. 2, 2008. Crompton’s best season came in 2009, when he finished with 26 touchdowns and only 12 interceptions. The Vols went 7-6, losing to Virginia Tech in the Chick-fil-A Bowl, where Crompton was a mediocre 15/26 for 235 yards with one touchdown and one interception. Interestingly, with all the hyped recruits that Tennessee signed that year, it almost didn’t seem to matter that they lost out on Elite 50 wide receiver Patrick Turner (USC, drafted in the third round by the Miami Dolphins in 2009) and offensive lineman and Sandra Bullock’s

this from Scout.com
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Wondering why you would bring up that negative s*&t five years after the fact??? Forty posts and you start a thread like this, hope you have a fire suit on, flame on in 1..2..3...... !
 
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Smokeybluetick said:
Wondering why you would bring up that negative s*&t five years after the fact??? Forty posts and you start a thread like this, hope you have a fire suit on, flame on in 1..2..3...... !
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Yeah, only positive things are to ever be spoken about here on VN. Calm down dude. It's an article relevant to UT football that I assume is up on Scout this morning, so he mentioned it in case anyone wanted to read. Also, it's a retrospective about the class, it's not as if he dug up a five year old column.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
Yeah, only positive things are to ever be spoken about here on VN. Calm down dude. It's an article relevant to UT football that I assume is up on Scout this morning, so he mentioned it in case anyone wanted to read. Also, it's a retrospective about the class, it's not as if he dug up a five year old column.
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:moon2:

OK Dude! Enough negavols on here,just sick of these dumb azz threads! At least tell me something negative CDD has done!
 
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Smokeybluetick said:
:moon2:

OK Dude! Enough negavols on here,just sick of these dumb azz threads! At least tell me something negative CDD has done!
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Im sick of Dudes like you... the thread was about UT football. If an author is willing to write a about the vols for whatever reason than I believe a vol fan on a message board can start a thread about it.
 
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bryhez said:
Most Overrated Recruiting Class – Tennessee’s No. 1 2005 Class
It’s not that this 2005 Vols class turned out terribly, it just didn’t nearly live up to the expectations of that early Wednesday in February 2005. When then-coach Phillip Fulmer finally announced his class, it looked like a new era at Tennessee would emerge. The Vols’ faithful had good reason to believe the SEC championship and another national championship were within grasp, considering the talent they had pulled in since 2002. With five-star quarterback Jonathan Crompton, cornerback Demetrice Morley, running backs LaMarcus Coker and Montario Hardesty, wide receiver Slick Shelley, tight end Jeff Cottam and linebacker Rico McCoy all donning Orange, everyone had good reason to believe the Vols’ drought without a conference title since 1998 would come to an end. Instead, an unexpected end came into view. Crompton never lived up to his SuperPrep Elite 50 status, and didn’t lead the Vols to anything but mediocrity, while the tenures of Morley, Shelley and Coker in Knoxville were short-lived. Fulmer was fired Nov. 2, 2008. Crompton’s best season came in 2009, when he finished with 26 touchdowns and only 12 interceptions. The Vols went 7-6, losing to Virginia Tech in the Chick-fil-A Bowl, where Crompton was a mediocre 15/26 for 235 yards with one touchdown and one interception. Interestingly, with all the hyped recruits that Tennessee signed that year, it almost didn’t seem to matter that they lost out on Elite 50 wide receiver Patrick Turner (USC, drafted in the third round by the Miami Dolphins in 2009) and offensive lineman and Sandra Bullock’s

this from Scout.com
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This should bring things into perspective for some. Landing a top rated recruiting class isn't everything. You have to be able to develop talent at this level.
 
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Smokeybluetick said:
Wondering why you would bring up that negative s*&t five years after the fact??? !
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Maybe because the 2005 class just completed what was for most of them their last year of eligibility and it's revealing to look back and see what happened.
 
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Smokeybluetick said:
Wondering why you would bring up that negative s*&t five years after the fact??? Forty posts and you start a thread like this, hope you have a fire suit on, flame on in 1..2..3...... !
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Lol, so long as he keeps that avatar, he can post anything he wants.....
 
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bryhez said:
Most Overrated Recruiting Class – Tennessee’s No. 1 2005 Class
It’s not that this 2005 Vols class turned out terribly, it just didn’t nearly live up to the expectations of that early Wednesday in February 2005. When then-coach Phillip Fulmer finally announced his class, it looked like a new era at Tennessee would emerge. The Vols’ faithful had good reason to believe the SEC championship and another national championship were within grasp, considering the talent they had pulled in since 2002. With five-star quarterback Jonathan Crompton, cornerback Demetrice Morley, running backs LaMarcus Coker and Montario Hardesty, wide receiver Slick Shelley, tight end Jeff Cottam and linebacker Rico McCoy all donning Orange, everyone had good reason to believe the Vols’ drought without a conference title since 1998 would come to an end. Instead, an unexpected end came into view. Crompton never lived up to his SuperPrep Elite 50 status, and didn’t lead the Vols to anything but mediocrity, while the tenures of Morley, Shelley and Coker in Knoxville were short-lived. Fulmer was fired Nov. 2, 2008. Crompton’s best season came in 2009, when he finished with 26 touchdowns and only 12 interceptions. The Vols went 7-6, losing to Virginia Tech in the Chick-fil-A Bowl, where Crompton was a mediocre 15/26 for 235 yards with one touchdown and one interception. Interestingly, with all the hyped recruits that Tennessee signed that year, it almost didn’t seem to matter that they lost out on Elite 50 wide receiver Patrick Turner (USC, drafted in the third round by the Miami Dolphins in 2009) and offensive lineman and Sandra Bullock’s

this from Scout.com
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Interesting read, there are a lot of good facts to back up his argument.

Smokeybluetick said:
Wondering why you would bring up that negative s*&t five years after the fact??? Forty posts and you start a thread like this, hope you have a fire suit on, flame on in 1..2..3...... !
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Settle down dude :crazy:
 
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Given that only a team can have only 85 players on scholarship, about 10-11 will redshirt, another 5-10 will transfer or earn a scholarship, and 22 players can be starters, then a good recruiting class should yield: 15-18 players that complete their eligibility or go to the draft, divided by 8-10 quality 2-year starters, another 2-3 1-year starters, and another 5-6 backups.

From that perspective, the 2005 class was a marginal success, more comparable to a 10th ranked class than a top-5 class:

2-Year+ Quality Starters
Bolden
Brown
Hardesty
McCoy
McNeil
Scott
Taylor
D. Williams
G. Williams
Morley

1-Year Contributors
Crompton
Coker
Richard

NFL Draft Picks
Hardesty
Scott
D. Williams
Crompton

Players with All-Conference Honors But Not Drafted
McNeil
Morley
McCoy

Comparing the other SEC 2005 classes:
Recruiting Class With Most NFL Picks or All-Conference Honors
Tennessee - 7

Auburn - 5
Georgia - 5

South Carolina - 4
LSU - 4

Ole Miss - 3
Alabama - 3
Florida - 3

Arkansas - 2
Kentucky - 2
Miss. State - 2
Vandy - 2

Recruiting Class With Most 4-Year Eligible Players
Vandy - 17
Tennessee - 15
Kentucky - 15
South Carolina - 14
Arkansas - 13
Alabama - 13
Georgia - 11
Auburn - 10
Ole Miss - 10
LSU - 9
Miss. State - 8
Florida - 7
 
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Those numbers are not accurate.

Gerald Williams a 2 year starter? He barely played last year and wasn't the starter for the entire 2009 season. Additionally, he didn't even make the team that year, so he probably shouldn't count for that class.

Lucas Taylor was a one year starter. Ditto for Demonte Bolden and Montario Hardesty.

We got more than 1 year out of Vlad Richards, but probably a little less than one out of Lamarcus Coker.

As for Morley being all conference... he was All Freshman SEC during a year he didn't even start, but never a true All-SEC player. He just wasn't that good.

Also, the class had 14 players eligible for four years. Although, Demonte Bolden wasn't eligible for his senior bowl game after *****ing about the other players not coming to play in the SEC Championship.
 
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Smokeybluetick said:
Wondering why you would bring up that negative s*&t five years after the fact??? Forty posts and you start a thread like this, hope you have a fire suit on, flame on in 1..2..3...... !
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I don't understand the limited post criticism. It doesn't mean anything other than someone doesn't post frequently. The article is interesting and numerous people on this board have noted the exact same thing.
 
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Smokeybluetick said:
Wondering why you would bring up that negative s*&t five years after the fact??? Forty posts and you start a thread like this, hope you have a fire suit on, flame on in 1..2..3...... !
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Pal, your Avatar is definitely not a Blue Tick Hound.....looks like a cross between a Pitbull and a Bassett Hound.:eek:lol:
 
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Fine on G.W. Hardesty had 260+ carries prior to last year; that's the equivalent of 1 year of starts before last season. Coker carried the ball more than anyone else in 2006; that counts as a 1 year starter. Taylor was leader in receptions his junior year; so that clearly counts. Morley was good in both years; we'll agree to disagree on the quality of his play.
 
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vegasvol said:
given that only a team can have only 85 players on scholarship, about 10-11 will redshirt, another 5-10 will transfer or earn a scholarship, and 22 players can be starters, then a good recruiting class should yield: 15-18 players that complete their eligibility or go to the draft, divided by 8-10 quality 2-year starters, another 2-3 1-year starters, and another 5-6 backups.

From that perspective, the 2005 class was a marginal success, more comparable to a 10th ranked class than a top-5 class:

2-year+ quality starters
bolden
brown
hardesty
mccoy
mcneil
scott
taylor
d. Williams
g. Williams
morley

1-year contributors
crompton
coker
richard

nfl draft picks
hardesty
scott
d. Williams
crompton

players with all-conference honors but not drafted
mcneil
morley
mccoy

comparing the other sec 2005 classes:
Recruiting class with most nfl picks or all-conference honors
tennessee - 7

auburn - 5
georgia - 5

south carolina - 4
lsu - 4

ole miss - 3
alabama - 3
florida - 3

arkansas - 2
kentucky - 2
miss. State - 2
vandy - 2

recruiting class with most 4-year eligible players
vandy - 17
tennessee - 15
kentucky - 15
south carolina - 14
arkansas - 13
alabama - 13
georgia - 11
auburn - 10
ole miss - 10
lsu - 9
miss. State - 8
florida - 7
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