Insight about the roster turnover and what CJP has to work with. (article)

#51
#51
I think this tidbit is one of the most astounding things in the article:

“ but the fact is several of his peers warned him about the condition of Tennessee’s roster before he took the job.”

So apparently other coaches could see how exactly what Pruitt inherited.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
There comes a time when a coach just has to coach. Thing is, this team, Pruitts own guys have gotten worse. Something is wrong and it starts with the head man. He will no doubt get his contracted years, that’s what scares me the most.
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And there also comes a time when players have to execute. Cannot coach without execution. You cannot execute without coaching.
 
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Voljlt said:
Disagree. Running a 4.4 40 or benching 300+ has nothing to do with football talent. That is pure physical ability. Talent is being a student of the game and honing skills to perfect your craft. It is an aptitude. It is understanding and executing your role as a member of the team.

I can be the fastest WR or DB on the field but that is not my talent. My talent would be what I am able to do with that speed when executing a play. I understand what you are saying with this but I believe you have the terms confused. It would appear that many of the players who look bewildered or confused on the field have a low level of talent because they don't know what's going on.
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I was being simplistic, but I know where you're coming from. Bottomline.....our players have the talent to be much better than they are, but they are not receiving the coaching to realize their full potential as individual players or as a team.
 
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'Boro-vol said:
Funny...I remember the same assertion being mad under Dooley, and Jones. What makes anyone believe this guy can get it done with less experience?
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It is what it is. If I had to make a choice between the three I am going with Pruitt. Only time will tell.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
I think this tidbit is one of the most astounding things in the article:

“ but the fact is several of his peers warned him about the condition of Tennessee’s roster before he took the job.”

So apparently other coaches could see how exactly what Pruitt inherited.
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Yep. Can't argue a single point in that article.
 
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aaronvol said:
Things will be good. It is a time thing. No excuse for Georgia State, they absolutely blew that and there is no reason for it, none, not a single iota...but, I think in time we will be pleased that Pruitt and Co. are here.
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Why though? I’m not screaming fire Pruitt, but what have you seen that would lead you to believe that, other than just wishful thinking?
 
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jonnon111 said:
Rucker: Let’s be real about size, scope of Vols’ rebuild

Some hightlights:
All the transfers are not a bad thing.
The guys from '16 and '17 recruiting classes are not what they were on paper
Pruitt's first class was assembled in essentially 2 weeks so those are just marginally "his guys" and thats UTs fault for the coaching debacle.
Our roster is not good currently (I know I know, GaSt., shot happens is all I can say)

I thought this was laid out very well and encompasses alot of the discussion on this board.
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Yep

Talent deficiencies cost us the Georgia State game
And it should be obvious Vandy is loaded enough to beat us by 3 touchdowns.

Yep all Butch Jones fault.
 
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MadWorld said:
This one is kind of a half-truth. Hindsight now, he should have come directly to the HC position and not coached Bama in the NC. He lost some time there he could have been recruiting, although he said he was part-time.
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It’s been stated a few times that he started recruiting the day he was hired. I know that’s not going to make a difference to many. Personally, I never had an issue with him seeing the players he helped get there all the way to the end. However, I don’t have an irrational hatred to all things Bama either.
 
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'Boro-vol said:
Funny...I remember the same assertion being mad under Dooley, and Jones. What makes anyone believe this guy can get it done with less experience?
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Or the next 3 after him for that matter.

Its like a bad movie that you won't turn off.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
I think this tidbit is one of the most astounding things in the article:

“ but the fact is several of his peers warned him about the condition of Tennessee’s roster before he took the job.”

So apparently other coaches could see how exactly what Pruitt inherited.
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Heck, I warned him when he accepted the job. I posted my open letter to him a week or two ago.
 
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jonnon111 said:
Rucker: Let’s be real about size, scope of Vols’ rebuild

Some hightlights:
All the transfers are not a bad thing.
The guys from '16 and '17 recruiting classes are not what they were on paper
Pruitt's first class was assembled in essentially 2 weeks so those are just marginally "his guys" and thats UTs fault for the coaching debacle.
Our roster is not good currently (I know I know, GaSt., shot happens is all I can say)

I thought this was laid out very well and encompasses alot of the discussion on this board.
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For a change, I agree with what Rucker wrote. He made the effort to do some research and find the facts. Good for him.
 
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Behr said:
What do you suggest we do?
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We as fans have done our job every single time and showed up to games to pay for the program. That's going to start changing very soon creating a bigger problem. Enough is enough
 
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westy said:
Lack of talent still doesn't explain players that look confused, clueless, and unmotivated.
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That’s just your opinion to which just isn’t true. I haven’t seen that since the Georgia St game and from the expanation given by coach Pruitt they called a conservative game and the players were playing on there heals. Since the first game I think the defense has played well enough to win games if the offense would just get going. People are gonna have to get over Georgia St game and look at this team with real perspective. I get that game happened but to say they haven’t played better since is just choosing to focus on one game.
 
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westy said:
Lack of talent still doesn't explain players that look confused, clueless, and unmotivated.
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Youth. Other coaches are going to take advantage of the youth and expose it as they should. As or the others, well they spent years under Butch
 
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aaronvol said:
right...and? This is the beauty and frustration of college football. We just don't know.
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Your definition of beauty and mine must be vastly different. Continuing to hire under-qualified coaches to train on the job in an attempt to rebuild a floundering program is malfeasance on the part of the Administration. But as long as we dress them in Orange it doesn't matter to some.
 
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Bad players or bad coaching?

Personally I think it’s a bit of both. Mullen called a great game but our front never got any pressure.
 
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You have to trust the coach and staff when it comes to player turnover. Pruitt, even with a really bad first 1.5 years of his tenure, deserves the benefit of the doubt on roster moves and changes.

So does every other coach in America. I remember the overblown preseason uproar over portal/commitments/decommitments and roster changes at Florida and elsewhere. I said then and now, UF’s issues were way overblown, and as usual, I was right. Especially in light of how the season has played out so far and how some teams continue to have mass turnover 5 weeks into the season. UF’s portal issues are/were peanuts compared to many programs.

As hard as it may be at this time, you gotta trust Pruitt and staff.
 
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Give Him 6 said:
That’s just your opinion to which just isn’t true. I haven’t seen that since the Georgia St game and from the expanation given by coach Pruitt they called a conservative game and the players were playing on there heals. Since the first game I think the defense has played well enough to win games if the offense would just get going. People are gonna have to get over Georgia St game and look at this team with real perspective. I get that game happened but to say they haven’t played better since is just choosing to focus on one game.
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Haven't seen it since the GSU game? What about when Taylor let the BYU receiver run by him and then the safety misses the tackle? Did you see that? During the UF game the sideline reporter said one of the UT O-lineman raised his hand and said "coach what are we doing?" The players don't have a clear vision of what they are supposed to be doing. It's obvious.
The way players play is a reflection of the coaching they receive. Period.
 
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MadWorld said:
This one is kind of a half-truth. Hindsight now, he should have come directly to the HC position and not coached Bama in the NC. He lost some time there he could have been recruiting, although he said he was part-time.
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I don't know who he would be recruiting other than 2019 guys. You're not going to go through the coaching search hell that UT went through in 2018 and get guys that top 20 programs were really in on. It was a bust year no matter how you slice it. Hold on to the ones you want from Butchie Boy, take some flyers on non-qualifiers, Jucos and lower tier kids and work on the next 2 or 3 cycles. 2018 was done whether he coached Bama in the NC game or stayed and worked the phones. It was the first year of the early signing period. Most of the talent was gone. He patched together a class which is all anybody could do.

Judge him after 2019, 2020 and 2021 classes are here. It's unrealistic to expect much out of the 2018 class after the train wreck our program was in. I would have told my own kid to look around that year. It was an ethical move to keep his promise to his Bama recruits and that will ring truer with his future Vol recruits than sticking it to Bama and working on a class that was never going to be more than piecemeal.
 
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