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#26
#26
Lexvol said:
FWIW that is really why AJ has to move to the middle. Maggit and Vereen are really the only two backers that we have with the natural ability to cover the flats. Austin can do it, but only if he reads it immediately.
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Any chance for Lathers this week?
 
#27
#27
I don't remember UT ever being an underdog to Vandy when Fulmer was here.

Nobody expected Dooley to win the SEC, or beat Fl, UA, or GA for that matter, but we are an underdog to Vandy at home, nobody should complain still?

There is no way Vandy has more talent then we do. The depth, talent, excuse doesn't hold water when you are talking about being an underdog to Vandy at home.

Bray should be back, there's no excuse this Saturday if UT doesn't win.
 
#30
#30
Let's be honest. Vandy has managed to stay close to a few teams this year, but if they'd played our schedule, they'd likely be entering the game at 3-7.
 
#31
#31
oklavol said:
I don't remember UT ever being an underdog to Vandy when Fulmer was here.

Nobody expected Dooley to win the SEC, or beat Fl, UA, or GA for that matter, but we are an underdog to Vandy at home, nobody should complain still?

There is no way Vandy has more talent then we do. The depth, talent, excuse doesn't hold water when you are talking about being an underdog to Vandy at home.

Bray should be back, there's no excuse this Saturday if UT doesn't win.
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The elephant in the room is whether or not Dooley has lost this team. I know that sounds a little ambiguous, but you know what I'm talking about. If he has...it doesn't bode well for next year. The bright spot about the youth on the team should be resilience. You shouldn't have a ton of upperclassmen attempting mutiny.
 
#32
#32
oklavol said:
I don't remember UT ever being an underdog to Vandy when Fulmer was here.

Nobody expected Dooley to win the SEC, or beat Fl, UA, or GA for that matter, but we are an underdog to Vandy at home, nobody should complain still?

There is no way Vandy has more talent then we do. The depth, talent, excuse doesn't hold water when you are talking about being an underdog to Vandy at home.

Bray should be back, there's no excuse this Saturday if UT doesn't win.
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I've done this a couple times now. Ask yourself, that is if you have watched both teams play.

qb--Rodgers over Worley
rb--no question its vandy
ol--part of it is scheme, so I don't really know how talented each man is
dl--we only have Malik, they have to have 2 playmakers
lb--Marve--vandy edge with us having a fb and 2 freshmen
db--we start at least 2 true freshmen and a juco that runs a 4.7. They have a draft pick or two.
wr--we only have D Rogers. Without Hunter, they have us outmanned.
k an p--need I address.

To watch the teams, players and look at the roster, there is no way someone could say that Vandy doesn't have as good of players starting than UT, and in fact, has either better, more experienced, or both, at almost every position. That is an argument from a decade ago and is basically makes one appear to be in denial of what has happened and the product on the field.
 
#34
#34
GAVol said:
Let's be honest. Vandy has managed to stay close to a few teams this year, but if they'd played our schedule, they'd likely be entering the game at 3-7.
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You do realize that the only difference in the conference schedule is Vandy played Ole Miss and we played LSU right? And Vandy had chances to beat Florida and Arkansas, Vols were not in either of those games. They are playing with their back up QB also.
 
#35
#35
volfanjustin said:
You do realize that the only difference in the conference schedule is Vandy played Ole Miss and we played LSU right? And Vandy had chances to beat Florida and Arkansas, Vols were not in either of those games. They are playing with their back up QB also.
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OM for LSU is a pretty big step

was their starter injured or was it a choice?
 
#36
#36
volfanjustin said:
You do realize that the only difference in the conference schedule is Vandy played Ole Miss and we played LSU right? And Vandy had chances to beat Florida and Arkansas, Vols were not in either of those games. They are playing with their back up QB also.
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They replaced their starter. And, playing ole piss rather than lsu is quite significant. Couple that with the fact that they played no one of cincy's caliber in the non-conference, and we've played a pretty significantly different schedule.
 
#37
#37
pl3 said:
I've done this a couple times now. Ask yourself, that is if you have watched both teams play.

qb--Rodgers over Worley
rb--no question its vandy
ol--part of it is scheme, so I don't really know how talented each man is
dl--we only have Malik, they have to have 2 playmakers
lb--Marve--vandy edge with us having a fb and 2 freshmen
db--we start at least 2 true freshmen and a juco that runs a 4.7. They have a draft pick or two.
wr--we only have D Rogers. Without Hunter, they have us outmanned.
k an p--need I address.

To watch the teams, players and look at the roster, there is no way someone could say that Vandy doesn't have as good of players starting than UT, and in fact, has either better, more experienced, or both, at almost every position. That is an argument from a decade ago and is basically makes one appear to be in denial of what has happened and the product on the field.
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Have you ever looked at Vandy's recruiting rankings over the last 4 years? They don't often break the top 50.

You really expect people to believe UT's program was in worse shape then Vandy's? No way.
 
#40
#40
Well they're fickle, impatient and like the rest of the world, they want their cake and eat it too. Not too much different from other fanbases. We don't know either way if he'll succeed or fail at this point. Should start getting some of those answers next year. Until then Maker's Mark helps some.
 
#41
#41
oklavol said:
Have you ever looked at Vandy's recruiting rankings over the last 4 years? They don't often break the top 50.

You really expect people to believe UT's program was in worse shape then Vandy's? No way.
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Who cares? How many players from the classes from 3-4years ago do they have on the field? I'll take some 2/3 star players in the system for 3-4 years over 25 four stars in two classes that aren't even on campus. Well, a couple may still be on campus, but they aren't playing ball.

How can you make that ranking argument when PF's last class has 2 players playing and Kiffin's top 5-10 class wouldn't be top 75 if reevaluated today based off of who is left and playing.

That seems very illogical to me.
 
#42
#42
VolinArizona said:
Are you all serious? Or just insane?

I cannot believe the things I'm seeing posters say. Derek Dooley took over a program in disarray. The product under Phillip Fulmer had deteriorated, with an incredible amount of off the field problems. His replacement was a snake in the grass who left us with more problems than solutions. The attrition from 2008-2011 is astonishing. None of that is Derek Dooley's fault.

Then, in Year 2, he loses his best player before the season (Janzen Jackson), his best wide receiver in Game 3 (3rd play into SEC season), his best QB (7 quarters into SEC season) who happens to be the best QB here in 10 years, and his best LB hasn't played.

He has started, off the top of my head, more than 10 freshmen the last 2 years, and dozens and dozens of sophomores. None of that is Derek Dooley's fault.

With Tyler Bray AND Justin Hunter healthy all year, we're 6-3 at worst and looking at 9-3 going into a bowl game to take us to 10 wins. If you disagree with this, I cannot help you. You simply do not know what you're watching. None of that is Derek Dooley's fault.

Are you serious? Do you seriously believe Tennessee is 2 players away from getting 9 wins? Are you saying all the glaring problems on offense, defense, and special teams would magically go away if we had Bray and Hunter? Did you watch the games? If you did, and still reached the same conclusion, then I can't help you.

Without the injury bug, you would be seeing the improvement in Year 2 that you hoped for. But he hasn't had the time to build the depth you need to deal with the injury bug. He simply hasn't had enough time to put together the recruiting classes. He is recruiting 4* talent while the on-field product is still ugly.

Is Derek Dooley the answer? I believe he is, but it remains to be seen. Tennessee fans, however, absolutely MUST give him time before you start turning up. Nobody should have been *****ing until Year 3 - which is still the year that will tell the story.

I am patient and will reserve my comment on Dooley's capability, but I am skeptical at the same time. I am skeptical based on everything Dooley's team has shown on the field for the past 2 years, not on some hypothetical "ifs".

The team is fielding the worst upper class in 15 years or more. Those weren't Derek Dooley players. If you don't understand the time and work it takes to change peoples' behavior, then you don't understand what Dooley has had to do. The team didn't know how to win, didn't know discipline, didn't know how to trust their coaches. We would've been 9-3 this year if healthy. Keep all that in mind.

No, I don't want to keep that in mind, because that's garbage. What do you mean by if we were "healthy", Bray/Hunter or the whole team in general? First of all, we are not Bray/Hunter away from a good team. Secondly, how can you hypothetically speak of "what if we were healthy" when in reality no SEC team was ever "healthy" over the course of a season.

Because none of this is Derek Dooley's fault.

I do not agree. Ture, Tennessee is a team that is overwhelmed by adversity and negativity, and it's hard to evaluate Dooley under these circumstances. But without knowing exactly how Dooley contribute (both positively and negatively) to this team's on-field performance, how could you say it's not Dooley's fault? How do you know?

This is what I do know. When I evaluate people, I look at two things: track record and current performance (at least positive signs). Dooley has neither. I will reserve my comment on Dooley's capability because of the situation he is in right now, but I do have a problem, a terrible problem, when people try to purposely distance Dooley from his horrendous on-field product, because they can't. He is ultimately responsible for this team; he is paid (a lot) to bring this team back to the top, and he is not even close. We shall see next year, maybe the year after, but no more.
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No, I want to ask you: are you serious, or just insane?
 
#45
#45
utvolpj said:
OM for LSU is a pretty big step

was their starter injured or was it a choice?
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Who cares, they are still playing with their second string QB entering the season. Vandy was in the game with Ark and Florida and could have beat both. Vandy is a better coached team than Tennessee is, anyone who argues that is either blind or knows nothing about sports. Forget experience, Tenn's roster has way more talent than Vandy's.
 
#46
#46
volfanjustin said:
That's right none of this is his fault, he has no effect of what happens on the filed at all. Nevermind this team has got worse, they have not scored in the second half in 5 straight games, and they have been outscored by almost 100 points in the second half this season. All the excuses are tiring.

Is Derek Dooley the answer? No, he is in over his head. His players are tired of being called out in public. He is a WAC coach.

By the way, Vandy is a 1 point favorite in Knoxville. How does that feel for all you Dooley apologist?
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I am so sick of you ignorant people! (and yes I said ignorant not stupid if you don't know the difference this is probably intended for you.) I want you to go to work today and make a list of the four most important things you use to do your job. Now that you have done that I want you to throw them away. Now do your job as efficiently as you did yesterday with the four items or your boss is going to fire you. You say I can't, but that is exactly what you are asking Dooley to do. Another example go out to your car this afternoon and pull 2 spark plug wires off and then on your way home challenge a viper to a drag race and see what happens. You'll probably just be glad to try and make it home without getting passed by grandma in her Pinto.(i.e. Vandy)
 
#47
#47
oklavol said:
Have you ever looked at Vandy's recruiting rankings over the last 4 years? They don't often break the top 50.

You really expect people to believe UT's program was in worse shape then Vandy's? No way.
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We may have had a higher ranking but the difference is that Vandy's are still there.:whistling:
 
#48
#48
tdh2j said:
I am so sick of you ignorant people! (and yes I said ignorant not stupid if you don't know the difference this is probably intended for you.) I want you to go to work today and make a list of the four most important things you use to do your job. Now that you have done that I want you to throw them away. Now do your job as efficiently as you did yesterday with the four items or your boss is going to fire you. You say I can't, but that is exactly what you are asking Dooley to do. Another example go out to your car this afternoon and pull 2 spark plug wires off and then on your way home challenge a viper to a drag race and see what happens. You'll probably just be glad to try and make it home without getting passed by grandma in her Pinto.(i.e. Vandy)
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So when do the excuses end? Every team has injuries. At some point Dooley has to out coach some one. He has not done it yet. I doubt very seriously this team goes to a bowl game. I am sick of getting blown out in these games, I have quit watching because I know the end result before the games kick off.

I am not saying this team should have won the SECCG but they should at least be competitive. This team should win about 7 games and be in the game in the loses. If he does not win 8 games next year he should be out.
 
#49
#49
pl3 said:
Who cares? How many players from the classes from 3-4years ago do they have on the field? I'll take some 2/3 star players in the system for 3-4 years over 25 four stars in two classes that aren't even on campus. Well, a couple may still be on campus, but they aren't playing ball.

How can you make that ranking argument when PF's last class has 2 players playing and Kiffin's top 5-10 class wouldn't be top 75 if reevaluated today based off of who is left and playing.

That seems very illogical to me.
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Vandy has not had a recruiting class in the top 50 in the last 4 years. UT has had one that wasn't in the top 25.

What is illogical to me is trying to make the case that UT doesn't have the talent now to compete with Vandy. Do you hear what you are saying? Vandy has better athletes at most positions then UT does? You really believe that.
 
#50
#50
oklavol said:
Vandy has not had a recruiting class in the top 50 in the last 4 years. UT has had one that wasn't in the top 25.

What is illogical to me is trying to make the case that UT doesn't have the talent now to compete with Vandy. Do you hear what you are saying? Vandy has better athletes at most positions then UT does? You really believe that.
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Vandy has older athletes at almost every spot and considerably more experience. Ask BYU how much it matters. They rode a bunch of weak athletes, but 24 year old men, to a national title (even though it was pollster silliness).
 
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