Injuries Update Question

#26
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jakez4ut said:
i find it laughable that people think Tuttle is injury prone. the guy got cheap shotted against GA two years ago. that's not injury prone fellas.

and as for this past season, if you want to blame the injuries on something, blame it on the overall depth at DT. we weren't 3 deep at both positions able to rotate in and out, and as the season wore on, depth didn't exactly get better.

anyone that has to play that many snaps on defense is increasing the probablity of injury.

and newsflash, we're not super deep headed in to this year either.

injury prone, it's not like these guys and having tweaked ankles, knees and shoulders, and pulled hamstrings week in and week out...indicating they're not taking care of their bodies....jeez.
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I'm just saying, two years played and two years injured. Bottom line he hasn't played a full season yet.
 
#27
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KBVol said:
But look who we lost....all-time great DE Barnett, solid/productive DE Vereen, solid/steady DT Obrien, our best CB Sutton, outstanding LB JRM (look what happened to our LB corp last year when he didn't play). Normally I would agree.....but we pretty much lost the guys who kept an awful defense from being beyond horrific.
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well you could argue we didn't have JRM or Sutton last year anyway, and O'brien wasn't around for the 2nd half of the season, so net, net, on your list, it's Vareen and Barnett, and 1/2 an O'brien, that we'll "miss".:p

in all seriousness, we did lose a lot. but if there's a silver lining, a lot of guys got meaningful reps and experience, and at some point, you have to think that will help in development for this year. or at least hope that it will..........either way, it's not going out on a limb, no matter what, to say that we definitely have ?'s on the DL, LB, and again in the secondary. on that, i do agree.
 
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jakez4ut said:
ok, and that's not wrong. it is wrong to say he's "injury prone".
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Ok man you win. I don't care. You can't argue with what I said and you can't change how others say things. Definition of prone means likely to happen. 2 out of 2 is likely. But you're right and I quit.
 
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smokey0625 said:
Ok man you win. I don't care. You can't argue with what I said and you can't change how others say things. Definition of probe means likely to happen. 2 out of 2 is likely. But you're right and I quit.
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whatever. when you compare him to North, who was injury prone, you opened the door for rebuttal. if you can't take it, not my problem.
 
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jakez4ut said:
well you could argue we didn't have JRM or Sutton last year anyway, and O'brien wasn't around for the 2nd half of the season, so net, net, on your list, it's Vareen and Barnett, and 1/2 an O'brien, that we'll "miss".:p

in all seriousness, we did lose a lot. but if there's a silver lining, a lot of guys got meaningful reps and experience, and at some point, you have to think that will help in development for this year. or at least hope that it will..........either way, it's not going out on a limb, no matter what, to say that we definitely have ?'s on the DL, LB, and again in the secondary. on that, i do agree.
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1. I mentioned "look what our LB corp looked like without JRM last year"....it was MAC level, no?

2. Sutton played in 7 games, and again....look what our CB play looked like without him last year, wasn't great with him, I know, but it was feckless without him......we won't have him again this year.

3. Ditto OBrien....we were bad below average WITH him in the first 6 games last year, and horrific the rest of the season without him....who takes his place?

So I say again, we have holes at every level of the defense, with the safety position being the most stable....and we're replacing 3 NFL level players, one of which was an program all-time great.

Now, who knows.... Taylor and Phillips step in at DE, KMac and Tuttle and Kongbo (if he stays at DT) and Vickers get healthy and play well at DT, a second and third LB plays really well alongside DKJr, 2 CBs emerge and play great and Warrior takes a big leap and looks like his dad at safety......but those are a lot of "maybes"...
 
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KBVol said:
1. I mentioned "look what our LB corp looked like without JRM last year"....it was MAC level, no?

2. Sutton played in 7 games, and again....look what our CB play looked like without him last year, wasn't great with him, I know, but it was feckless without him......we won't have him again this year.

3. Ditto OBrien....we were bad below average WITH him in the first 6 games last year, and horrific the rest of the season without him....who takes his place?

So I say again, we have holes at every level of the defense, with the safety position being the most stable....and we're replacing 3 NFL level players, one of which was an program all-time great.

Now, who knows.... Taylor and Phillips step in at DE, KMac and Tuttle and Kongbo (if he stays at DT) and Vickers get healthy and play well at DT, a second and third LB plays really well alongside DKJr, 2 CBs emerge and play great and Warrior takes a big leap and looks like his dad at safety......but those are a lot of "maybes"...
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LB was an issue before the fist snap of the season, so yeah, i agree.

sutton played in 7 games? jeez, didn't feel like it. all i know is after the injury against Ohio, even when he finally made it back in the regular season, he wasn't all there.

in the end, yes, lot's of "if's" and "maybe's". agreed.
 
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#34
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KBVol said:
There is none. I argued multiple times last preseason that we were thin at DT and I had guys telling me we were 5,6,7 players deep, we were in great shape, don't worry about it, we can even withstand a injury or 2, we're loaded there.........and they were the same guys who later argued that our defense was bad and our team underachieved only because we lost 3 defensive tackles, two of which were backups.

Well, newsflash, we sit here today with one healthy, experienced, reliable, legit DT as we head into spring practice. Then throw in that we're breaking in 2 brand new DEs, are thin at LB to say the least, and have major concerns at corner.
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I bet you heard that on Volnation. Most knowledgeable fans KNEW we couldn't absorb a rash of injuries at DT and have a solid defense. Just a reminder for the future....don't listen to what you read here. Now if we're talking DE maybe a little flexibility...maybe...
 
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tennrich1 said:
I bet you heard that on Volnation. Most knowledgeable fans KNEW we couldn't absorb a rash of injuries at DT and have a solid defense. Just a reminder for the future....don't listen to what you read here. Now if we're talking DE maybe a little flexibility...maybe...
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it was indeed on VN. And I was listening to them, I was arguing with them.
 
#36
#36
We still have quality depth problems at DT. Just ask the coaches and watch them start to squirm. When asked this Hoke replied, "I really like our players.".
If I am Hoke I have already picked out two offensive linemen to practice in the spring at DT. Not likely a starter or in the top 8. Got to have more bodies for spring and see who could help if necessary. Also helps push the 2s at DT with the 1s out.
Which OL players would you pick to play DT.
 
#37
#37
If Kongbo is a full time DT and we get KMac back for the season, I actually feel better about our depth at DT than at DE this year. Last year we didn't have enough bodies or experience at DT. This year, we should more of both, and we're actually adding freshmen DTs for emergency backup instead of walkons.

Assuming no major injuries, we should have the following available at DT who've taken SEC snaps: Vickers, Kmac, Kongbo, Picou, Bain. Alexis Johnson Johnson also has some game experience vs VT. Add in freshmen Bennet, Crosby, and possibly Butler (all of whom except for probably Bennet have the size to play DT for us, if not the experience or time in an S&C program). I'm not really counting on seeing Tuttle in 2017 personally. If he's available, then that's even better.

It seems like Shoop and Hoke should be able to find 4 capable DTs out of that bunch (and maybe 1-2 who can be difference makers). If one or two go down, things could get ugly, but there's always the possibility that someone like Crosby or Butler has it in them to contribute rotationally at least. Assuming none of the freshmen DTs are beasts out of the gate, our 3 deep could look something like:

DT: Kmac/Johnson/Bain
DT: Vickers/Kongbo/Picou
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Not ideal, proven depth by any means. But good coaches should be able to get something out of those guys. And thats a 3 deep with guys who've all been here at least a season. That's something at least. Seems like it's been a while since we could say that.

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DE has me much more worried. Our penciled in starters (Phillips and Taylor) have plenty of upside, but Phillips is often hurt. Behind those two our only returning player who's taken SEC snaps at DE is Kongbo, who is now a DT (though Austin Smith did get snaps at SLB as a freshman two seasons ago). So our 3 deep there is much more murky and dependent on young guys with little/no experience to step up. You can't even make a 3 deep for us at DE without including freshmen. The DEs we have who've been on campus at least a season are:


DE: Phillips/Smith
DE: Taylor/McDaniels (who has had some disciplinary and injury issues in his Semester and a half on campus thus far)
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So you've gotta hope that one or two of the newcomers (Johnson, Bembry, Thaxton, and maybe Butler or Bumphus) can be brought far enough along to give somewhat reliable depth. If we lose two DEs to injury, we're either going to have to throw some freshmen to the fire, move Kongbo back outside, slide a big OLB like Bituli down to the LOS, or get inventive scheme to cover up the whole at DE.



Going into last season, DT depth was a concern few wanted to address. IMO, we're in much the same position at DE heading into 2017.
 
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#39
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81Orange said:
We still have quality depth problems at DT. Just ask the coaches and watch them start to squirm. When asked this Hoke replied, "I really like our players.".
If I am Hoke I have already picked out two offensive linemen to practice in the spring at DT. Not likely a starter or in the top 8. Got to have more bodies for spring and see who could help if necessary. Also helps push the 2s at DT with the 1s out.
Which OL players would you pick to play DT.
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Nobody imo. OLs are OLs for a reason...not athletic enough to play DT. Also, until further notice, OL is a primary weakness on this team and we can't afford the bodies as we try to find the best 5, let alone go 6-7 deep there, just don't have the luxury.
 
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