"Injuries that were not and should not have been exposed"

#26
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1982Alum said:
Seems like Butch's new plan this next recruiting class is to go after the 3 star athletes instead of the 5 star variety.

Stay tuned..................
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So he can say they are hard workers and good a painting houses in the off season
 
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NEOCON said:
Butch is all about his system and feels the players should evolve into his system not his system evolve with the players.

Why a lot of star talent leaves.


Guy is really, really stubborn and feels anyone who disagrees should just shut the f up....
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Yeah I bet all coaches and CEOs would bet the farm on what one player/employee wants when they can't consistently be a game changer. Hurd was a phenom but he has never been untouchable or carried this team. Better with him than without him but we have two + behind him who obviously want it more.
 
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A couple of thoughts about the number of injuries....1) Is our strength & conditioning program adequate? 2) If certain players are so critical to success of a particular unit like the coaches have said about Reeves Maybin, should that person be playing special teams?
 
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photovol said:
Butch can't take criticism in any form apparently, but not winning the games he's supposed to win will be his downfall
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1. Is that games he was favored by Vegas and loss or games he was under dog and when you seen how the game played out you decided we were supposed to win.
3 losses in 2016 dog in 2.... favorite in 1 usce
4 losses in 2015 dog in 2 .....favorite in 2 UF and Ark
also won some as udog UGA comes to mind.

2. Hurd knew what O he was coming into and he was on course to break UT's alltime rushing record. If his ultimate goals was to play in the NFL and be a pick within the 1st 3 rounds that should have been enough.
Considering in 3 years he would surpass all the great UT backs Henry , Lewis ,Stewart etc... in an O that he thinks don't fit his strength. So if you can accomplish that in a subpar O the NFL should knock your doors off. or
his agenda was not the NFL.
 
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photovol said:
What do you think Butch was thinking when he so heavily recruited Jalen Hurd for his system?:popcorn:
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I think he was just trying to get the talent here and let Hurd recruit other top talent, or maybe coach thought Hurd would fit our system so we know no top down hill runner's will come here.
 
#32
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Rgntddybrvol91 said:
Good observation..did you have to create a seperate thread to discuss it??

...merge please..
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Yet you offer nothing of value other than "good observation." Next time, close the thread in your browser and move on to the next. It's not that big of a deal, it took about 20 seconds out of your day reading OP's post, and the sun will still shine in the morning.
 
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NEOCON said:
Butch is all about his system and feels the players should evolve into his system not his system evolve with the players.

Why a lot of star talent leaves.


Guy is really, really stubborn and feels anyone who disagrees should just shut the f up....
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What star talent? Preston Williams? Jalen Hurd? Vic Wharton? Riley Ferguson? Daryl Scott? Neiko Creamer? Marquez North? All of those guys?
 
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Rgntddybrvol91 said:
Just get tired at having to search through several threads that have the same info..couple of times you have post like this pointed at me cowboy..there are stalking laws you know. :)

...love, love, love my ignore button!
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Have you ever thought that's why someone starts a thread. They don't want to search hundreds of useless threads themselves to see if something has been stated.
 
#37
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Biopsyman said:
So he can say they are hard workers and good a painting houses in the off season
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Beats having him tell us who got dismissed for bar brawls/armed robbery/sexual assault.

Can't believe someone is so petty they make fun of players doing public service.
 
#38
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NEOCON said:
Butch is all about his system and feels the players should evolve into his system not his system evolve with the players.

Why a lot of star talent leaves.


Guy is really, really stubborn and feels anyone who disagrees should just shut the f up....
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Define "a lot".
 
#39
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Iam4utalways said:
Butch is all about the players and trying to get their best. We have got to keep a handle on turnovers.

Go Vols!
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If this was the case, he would have benched Dobbs already. For the sake of the other 10 players, our senior QB has lost us 2 games this year and taken us out of the title hunt. That seems to be unfair to the majority of the players.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
If this was the case, he would have benched Dobbs already. For the sake of the other 10 players, our senior QB has lost us 2 games this year and taken us out of the title hunt. That seems to be unfair to the majority of the players.
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And without Dobbs we would have lost 5. Glad you're not the coach.
 
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JFreak said:
And without Dobbs we would have lost 5. Glad you're not the coach.
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We have had one good half (Florida) that Dobbs was key in... However, his throwing, or lack thereof, caused us to be in a position to where we should have lost. App state game was close due to his poor play and we won because of a Dobbs fumble and recovery by Hurd in OT. VT gave us 5 unforced fumbles in short field.

A&M loss was all on him... Even though he doesn't get attributed with the fumbles, there were two in the redzone that he tried to scoop up and run with instead of falling down. Had he just fell down on it, we likely win that game by 2 scores.... SC game was definitely on him. His poor play has costed us more than it has won us.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
We have had one good half (Florida) that Dobbs was key in... However, his throwing, or lack thereof, caused us to be in a position to where we should have lost. App state game was close due to his poor play and we won because of a Dobbs fumble and recovery by Hurd in OT. VT gave us 5 unforced fumbles in short field.

A&M loss was all on him... Even though he doesn't get attributed with the fumbles, there were two in the redzone that he tried to scoop up and run with instead of falling down. Had he just fell down on it, we likely win that game by 2 scores.... SC game was definitely on him. His poor play has costed us more than it has won us.
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Behind this O-line, with Dormady at QB, we would have lost all those games. And we had 700 yds of offense in College Station. You want to blame the QB for that loss?
 
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JFreak said:
Behind this O-line, with Dormady at QB, we would have lost all those games. And we had 700 yds of offense in College Station. You want to blame the QB for that loss?
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Nah...we'll blame the fumbles...oh wait. :unsure:
 
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Iam4utalways said:
It looks like Hurd had the big fish in a big pond problem. From what I've heard there are more players that aren't completely satisfied, wins will help with that.

Go Vols!
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We simply don't have an offensive tweaker to more fit the players' strengths. Did anyone watch the Bama - LSU game ? Kiffen allows the QB to change the play call depending on how the defense lines up after the called play comes in. We are talking about a true freshman. Innovation is the key. Their offense, scheme wise, is very similiar to the one UT is running. We have equal, if not more talent except OLine perhaps. Has to come down to coaching and inability to adapt the scheme to players. For the 3rd time, (previous posts), we appear to be doing it backwards. Yeah, i'm just armchair, monday morning coach but damn running Hurd into stacked box repeatedly knowing defense is expecting exactly what we are going to do gets old quick when you watch it. I can only imagine how some players feel about it.
 
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JFreak said:
Behind this O-line, with Dormady at QB, we would have lost all those games. And we had 700 yds of offense in College Station. You want to blame the QB for that loss?
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Dobbs had two turnovers and basically assisted in two more turnovers in the red zone. Had he fell on the ball on those two red zone fumbles, we score or atleast get two field goals. The interception in OT is inexcusable.

Also, since we are breaking it down, you are aware the majority of our passing yards came off YAC (yards after catch). Dobbs wasn't "lighting" up the defense like the stat sheet shows.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
If this was the case, he would have benched Dobbs already. For the sake of the other 10 players, our senior QB has lost us 2 games this year and taken us out of the title hunt. That seems to be unfair to the majority of the players.
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WOW....that's pretty strong statement and exactly what vol nation doesn't want to hear.....the truth. but then they have the counter argument about how good Dobbs can be with his feet. The biggest truth that doesn't get said much is the opponents changing their defensive fronts to not only confuse Dobbs but also messes with our OLine. It takes UT too long to fiqure out the best adjustments to make. That's why you see so many 3 and outs and slow starts this season. A top tier OC would put a stop to this by utilizing the speed on the edges until he fiqures out if we can run which we probaly could once opposing LB's were forced to back off. It does require the QB to complete intermediate passes.:eek:k:
 
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tbones0711 said:
WOW....that's pretty strong statement and exactly what vol nation doesn't want to hear.....the truth. but then they have the counter argument about how good Dobbs can be with his feet. The biggest truth that doesn't get said much is the opponents changing their defensive fronts to not only confuse Dobbs but also messes with our OLine. It takes UT too long to fiqure out the best adjustments to make. That's why you see so many 3 and outs and slow starts this season. A top tier OC would put a stop to this by utilizing the speed on the edges until he fiqures out if we can run which we probaly could once opposing LB's were forced to back off. It does require the QB to complete intermediate passes.:eek:k:
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To be fair to Dobbs, his play has been caused in part due to not having an actual QB coach in his time here. We basically have two OL coaches and a GA coaching QB's. Even with this setup, I am more shocked that Butch isn't more hands on with QB since he has an "offensive system that works"
 
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tbones0711 said:
We simply don't have an offensive tweaker to more fit the players' strengths. Did anyone watch the Bama - LSU game ? Kiffen allows the QB to change the play call depending on how the defense lines up after the called play comes in. We are talking about a true freshman. Innovation is the key. Their offense, scheme wise, is very similiar to the one UT is running. We have equal, if not more talent except OLine perhaps. Has to come down to coaching and inability to adapt the scheme to players. For the 3rd time, (previous posts), we appear to be doing it backwards. Yeah, i'm just armchair, monday morning coach but damn running Hurd into stacked box repeatedly knowing defense is expecting exactly what we are going to do gets old quick when you watch it. I can only imagine how some players feel about it.
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Kiffin rearranged the offense around Henry last year since he was the best offensive player. Dobbs is our most dynamic offensive player. The funny thing is if Hurd had stayed for his senior year then I think the offense would be designed to feature him while we break in a new QB
 
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tbones0711 said:
WOW....that's pretty strong statement and exactly what vol nation doesn't want to hear.....the truth. but then they have the counter argument about how good Dobbs can be with his feet. The biggest truth that doesn't get said much is the opponents changing their defensive fronts to not only confuse Dobbs but also messes with our OLine. It takes UT too long to fiqure out the best adjustments to make. That's why you see so many 3 and outs and slow starts this season. A top tier OC would put a stop to this by utilizing the speed on the edges until he fiqures out if we can run which we probaly could once opposing LB's were forced to back off. It does require the QB to complete intermediate passes.:eek:k:
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It all starts with the O-line. Ours has been horrible this year. App State forced Dobbs out of the pocket with a 3 man rush. Blame Butch and Debord for not recruiting and developing stars on the line. But don't just say "they should just call better plays and that will fix it"
 
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