Injuries, Defense, Shoop...83rd total D, 95th run D

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#26
It was a miracle that the defense was as good as it was against aTm. We were digging into the 3rd string everywhere except on the d-line. If you think Shoop is the problem you know nothing at all about football.
 
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vols 30 said:
The DB's struggle big time. They never, I mean never look back for the ball. Recruiting failures are the biggest issue with LB's. The D-line is the strongest position group on the team
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This is what I'm seeing / what's really bother me (more so than LB play). Two of the best coverages I remember, were from Barnett (yesterday) and Jumper (a few weeks ago) -- interesting. The DB's can hit like crazy, but they seem to never look for the ball or put their hands up -- Foreman knocked the ball out yesterday on a 50 yrd run, but continues to grab a jersey on coverage (1 was called yesterday and I remember another one that was not).

But still I think we've had fewer points scored on Shoop's defense this year, than on the D last year (to date).
 
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McDad said:
Here's the odd thing to me...when our D players are interviewed and are specifically asked about halftime adjustments (uf game for example), they deny any adjustments were made. They say they just played better and executed the D calls. Why do you guys think they downplay the changes and credit the execution?
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Coaches have also echoed this
 
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I have thought about this. Frankly, part of the issue is that today's football game is just different (unless you play in the Big Ten). Look at the scores every week. The big bad Bama defense gave up 40 points to OM and 400 yards passing to Arkansas. The Big 12 and Pac 12 don't play defense. You can't lay big hits anymore, and the rules favor offenses. Add this to injuries of our 2 best LB's, an All-SEC cornerback who would take away half of the field and other DB's who are struggling, and you get a defense that is not quite as good as we thought.
 
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McDad said:
So are the players too tight in first half? Confused? Waiting on Barnett to make plays?

Wonder what's going on inside the helmets?
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My question exactly. Look back at early parts of early games. VA Tech, App St, etc gashed us on D. That's not fatigue, injuries, depth.... It's bizarre
 
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Yesterday our defense played well enough to win. Yes they gave up some bad plays but our offense/ special teams spotted them at least 14 points with the fumbles. In the end we killed ourselves
 
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the offense has made things very hard on D. did so last year as well, which is why I scratched my head at Jancek's firing.
 
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Roustabout said:
the offense has made things very hard on D. did so last year as well, which is why I scratched my head at Jancek's firing.
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In my mind, Jancek's firing was all about scheme. Horrible play calls against UF and UGA last year, and UGA worked out. I don't believe a Shoop defense gives up 5 fourth downs. May as well be aggressive and lose than sit back and lose. Aggressiveness will win you games however.
 
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I would say Shoop has done a great job keeping the defense competitive but even with a full squad vs. Appy State and Va. Tech it wasn't much to get excited about in terms of a big difference.
 
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Injuries in the 2 deep have killed this team. I would take shoop over any DC. Guy makes good adjustments. And the players play hard for the guy.
 
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UT is gonna have to install a hyperbaric chamber to get all the guys we have injured ready to play Bama...apparently, pixie dust doesn't work anymore...:)

GO VOLS!
 
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DLINE is spending to much time playing gap control, trying to help the LBs against the run instead of blasting off the line and attacking the Qb and mesh points on hand offs, we are playing reaction defense instead of attack defense
 
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MurphyVol said:
Even with the recent rash of injuries, our D numbers are pretty shocking.

Going back to before injuries decimated us, any thoughts as to why we've struggled on D early in games? Especially against the run?

Does Shoop's scheme not mesh with some of the position coaches he inherited?(DBs act like they've never been told to turn around)

Obviously Shoop is regarded as a mastermind for a reason. Any thoughts why were having so many issues?
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You cant make chicken salad out of chicken ****. Dbs are 3 string on most teams been tryib tell yall but nobody listen.

Spotted them seven turnovers. Schoop would have beat them clowns by 2 touchdowns without turnovers.
Once agin db play hurt us and will continue
Its not schoop

TennFatz
 
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I'm much more concerned for the common denominator in our secondary (Willie Martinez) than I am for Bob Shoop. If I were Butch, I'd consider making a move on him in the offseason.
 
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MurphyVol said:
Even with the recent rash of injuries, our D numbers are pretty shocking.

Going back to before injuries decimated us, any thoughts as to why we've struggled on D early in games? Especially against the run?

Does Shoop's scheme not mesh with some of the position coaches he inherited?(DBs act like they've never been told to turn around)

Obviously Shoop is regarded as a mastermind for a reason. Any thoughts why were having so many issues?
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This is his first year and 6th game at TENN.

Def schemes don't just fall into place. Looking at stats is one way of assessing a defense.

I believe the issues come from
Injuries (sometimes we're playing the #3 player for the position)

Time on the field (We seem to spend a lot of time on the field with our D, not necessarily sustained drives, but offense 3&outs)

Adjustments to defensive schemes and reads. (once the team gets comfortable, you will see considerable transitions from the reach and grab to the destructive tackles we all long for. )
 
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discontent523 said:
DLINE is spending to much time playing gap control, trying to help the LBs against the run instead of blasting off the line and attacking the Qb and mesh points on hand offs, we are playing reaction defense instead of attack defense
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Interesting observation...just caught a snippet of Tim Irwin's show and I believe be was saying the same thing
 
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VolGee4 said:
In my mind, Jancek's firing was all about scheme. Horrible play calls against UF and UGA last year, and UGA worked out. I don't believe a Shoop defense gives up 5 fourth downs. May as well be aggressive and lose than sit back and lose. Aggressiveness will win you games however.
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a very late TD to georgia which wins the game 99 out of 100 times.

We probably lose to bama because their defense is better than ours.
 
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We just played the best offense we're likely to see this season. Our defense played very well from the get go, and we generated very quick pressure constantly. The corners are our biggest weakness, followed by LBs. That happens when you have to play 2nd & 3rd string guys. If Justin Martin would step up, our defense could get stingy fast with the return of Kirkland.
 
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armchair said:
a very late TD to georgia which wins the game 99 out of 100 times.

We probably lose to bama because their defense is better than ours.
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You could argue scheme but execution was bad. He didn't play a spy, which our former coach did on the last play of the game against UGA last year. I am not a football expert, but the difference seems clear to me.
 
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Losing Sutton has a ripple effect of players playing out of position and the secondary has suffered.

Injuries only go so far in excusing the atrocious CB play however.The fundamentals just aren't there with the corners.

They don't look for the ball and Danielson called Foreman out for holding guys virtually every play.

The scheme seems solid although I expected more blitzing. Gotta think the LB injuries is having an effect on that though.

The game yesterday could have gotten extremely ugly with all the turnovers but they kept it close enough to win it.
 
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VOL-uh-tile said:
We just played the best offense we're likely to see this season. Our defense played very well from the get go, and we generated very quick pressure constantly. The corners are our biggest weakness, followed by LBs. That happens when you have to play 2nd & 3rd string guys. If Justin Martin would step up, our defense could get stingy fast with the return of Kirkland.
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Dont think so. I think Alabams offense is better than TAMU. More balanced and more dangerous. Hurts is just as dangerous as Knight is on the ground and he is a better passer.

Having Kirkland back will help but its not going to shore everything in the middle up. Losing a guy like JRM is not easy to replace.
 
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