Inexcusable, but fixable...

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There is no excuse for the coaches not learning from last week, and losing 2 games back to back like that. Loses like that can't keep happening. I have no real complaints with the play calling during the game, up until the decision to kick the PAT and not go for 2. Yeah, they could have thrown more, they had one on one a lot and I think PW can win and Wolf and beat a LB or safety one on one. But we ran the ball fairly well overall.
But there is no excuse for kicking the PAT. They would have had to had 2 possessions no matter what, why not make it 14 instead of 13? Even at 12 it's still at least 2 possessions.
I like Jancek, he called mostly a great game, but his conservative calling the last 2 drives killed us. He does great with the third downs mixing blitzes and coverages, just use the same strategy on 4th down. The 4 man rushes (just 3 rushed on the 4th and 14) with zones on the 4th down plays wasn't working and really hurt us. It's not worked the last 2 weeks, change it up. The QB hadnt completed a lengthy pass all night, blitz and cover the short stuff, the zone strategy wasn't working.
The offensive play calling the last 2 drives, esp the last one, was pathetically conservative. They had all the momentum, and coaches were completely satisfied running 3 plays and giving it back to them, after the D was on the field forever. Again, except for working in some more passes and PA, the play calling wasn't bad.
The thing is all this is fixable. No need for calling for heads yet. Coaching changes almost always set you back some. The Coaches need to change and fix their late game strategies and win these games. Let's see if these things keep happening. The staff has got us to were we are relevant and competitive again with anyone once again finally, but be more aggressive and give the players a better chance to win these type games. If they don't change and these in game coaching flaws continue to happen, especially not able to close out wins, then it's time to move on.
 
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So far, we've blown leads, lost games in which we were leading late into it, demonstrated "play not to lose" mentality and had piss poor coaching in pressure packed situations. I really wanted to jump on the Butch band wagon early. He can absolutely recruit but this staff has not demonstrated to me that they're capable of WINNING $EC football games.

Unacceptable for this program, this fan base and my beloved alma mater. I seriously question whether we'll ever get back to the glory days. Sucks.
 
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This isn't a late game strategy problem. We have no passing strategy.
We have a brick calling the plays.
 
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Butch is too prideful to "fix" the obvious issues we have because that would imply he was wrong.

And I use prideful in a negative way.
 
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Peyton Berry said:
There is no excuse for the coaches not learning from last week, and losing 2 games back to back like that. Loses like that can't keep happening. I have no real complaints with the play calling during the game, up until the decision to kick the PAT and not go for 2. Yeah, they could have thrown more, they had one on one a lot and I think PW can win and Wolf and beat a LB or safety one on one. But we ran the ball fairly well overall.
But there is no excuse for kicking the PAT. They would have had to had 2 possessions no matter what, why not make it 14 instead of 13? Even at 12 it's still at least 2 possessions.
I like Jancek, he called mostly a great game, but his conservative calling the last 2 drives killed us. He does great with the third downs mixing blitzes and coverages, just use the same strategy on 4th down. The 4 man rushes (just 3 rushed on the 4th and 14) with zones on the 4th down plays wasn't working and really hurt us. It's not worked the last 2 weeks, change it up. The QB hadnt completed a lengthy pass all night, blitz and cover the short stuff, the zone strategy wasn't working.
The offensive play calling the last 2 drives, esp the last one, was pathetically conservative. They had all the momentum, and coaches were completely satisfied running 3 plays and giving it back to them, after the D was on the field forever. Again, except for working in some more passes and PA, the play calling wasn't bad.
The thing is all this is fixable. No need for calling for heads yet. Coaching changes almost always set you back some. The Coaches need to change and fix their late game strategies and win these games. Let's see if these things keep happening. The staff has got us to were we are relevant and competitive again with anyone once again finally, but be more aggressive and give the players a better chance to win these type games. If they don't change and these in game coaching flaws continue to happen, especially not able to close out wins, then it's time to move on.
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Well, let me "splain" it to ya like Butch "splained" to us. You see, they have an extremely high-tech analytic matrix that tells them exactly what to do in those particular situations. We'd best not worry our simple little minds with such complexities and just watch/trust. However, while you're asking, would ya mind also asking him why he declines so many penaties?
 
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fester said:
This isn't a late game strategy problem. We have no passing strategy.
We have a brick calling the plays.
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Obviously they have little confidence in Dobbs passing otherwise there would be more passes to keep the D off-balance, that makes us one-dimensional for the most part.
Too many 3 and outs that keeps our D out there. The team had many chances to win with those 4th down completions they kept making.
 
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Basically we choked like we have past 11 years and would not be surprised to see it go 20 straight especially how tight Butch gets in 4th. Playing not to lose is getting old! I would rather lose being aggressive than being afraid to make a mistake and losing anyway playing prevent.
 
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These guys only know one system on offense and defense. Hell they had Worley trying to run the thing with the delayed handoff to the running back. Too risky dink for the SEC, probably worked at mid major level. Its easy to defend for D1 schools. 13 point lead you pull in the horns.

Problem is they "don't know what they don't know" and they are not making adjustments to their system. They just keep running it expecting better execution from the players.
 
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Not going for two was stupid imo; if you made the two then at the end it would have been an overtime game probably, but not a loss. If we didn't get the two it wouldn't have made any difference anyway and a field goal would have still won the game. How can you miss making that call? Coach , your turn.
 
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cwbytruckers said:
I'm more concerned about the fieldgoal attempt showing 12 Florida players on the field.
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Non factor. That was Medley's first attempt that didn't count because McElwain called timeout to ice him. When Medley lined up for the second attempt which he also missed, Florida only had 11 on the field.
 
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Can not out run poor coaching 2 timeouts on FL 4th downs, retarded or stupid? Definitely out of their league in a real program
 
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chuck0303 said:
Obviously they have little confidence in Dobbs passing otherwise there would be more passes to keep the D off-balance, that makes us one-dimensional for the most part.
Too many 3 and outs that keeps our D out there. The team had many chances to win with those 4th down completions they kept making.
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I agree, he isn't consirent at all with his accuracy, but still they played one on one most all night, i figure would have to try PW and Wolf.
 
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I dont see how anyone could be happy with the playcalling. I don't see us throwing downfield this entire season. We will see WRs transfer after this season then what will Butch blame losses on next year. If Hurd gets Hurt then we may not win another game.
 
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