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WG53 said:
No, it is not the same thing. Job training focuses solely on the skills needed for a vocation therefore narrow in scope. Higher learning is not focused solely on one type of learning and has broader applications.

Also a bachelors in psychology is quite useless. A masters or doctorate is what you need in that field.
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Buddy of mine from class this last term just wrapped up a BA in psych and is working as a rehab counselor. Pay isn't great, but it's a respectable profession.

Also, as far as vocational degrees, they do exist. They're called AAS, and there are tons of them; that is mostly what the ITT Techs, Heald Colleges, Everest Colleges and so on of the world offer, but they're also at every community college in the country. I have one that I finished right before the peak of the recession and I still had a $45k/year entry level job waiting for me when I finished interning. And they do qualify as higher education, the requirements are not all that far off from most BA/BS prereqs.
 
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WG53 said:
No, it is not the same thing. Job training focuses solely on the skills needed for a vocation therefore narrow in scope. Higher learning is not focused solely on one type of learning and has broader applications.

Also a bachelors in psychology is quite useless. A masters or doctorate is what you need in that field.
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Doubling it up with certain other degrees can be very useful, though. Like with a management degree. I saw Zuckerberg speak last year, and he said his ideal employee would have doubled in Computer Science and Psychology.
 
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milohimself said:
Buddy of mine from class this last term just wrapped up a BA in psych and is working as a rehab counselor. Pay isn't great, but it's a respectable profession.

Also, as far as vocational degrees, they do exist. They're called AAS, and there are tons of them; that is mostly what the ITT Techs, Heald Colleges, Everest Colleges and so on of the world offer, but they're also at every community college in the country. I have one that I finished right before the peak of the recession and I still had a $45k/year entry level job waiting for me when I finished interning. And they do qualify as higher education, the requirements are not all that far off from most BA/BS prereqs.
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You seem to be missing my point and focusing on one thing.

Colleges are not job training schools.
Certain degree programs are or can be but the purpose of college is not to get you a nice job. That is just the attitude and mindset people have taken towards it in the past 50 years or so.

I am not saying a vocational route is not additional learning. I am saying it is practical in purpose and us narrower in scope. Most degree programs in college are not practical for the purpose of obtaining jobs because they are about achieving knowledge and enriching one's self and in the process others as well. This side tends to further our collective knowledge through research and can have a payoff to society as a result.
 
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WG53 said:
In this country the word college is used the same as university. In Europe they make the distinction.

No one in this country says "I am going to University". We say I am going to school or I am going to college @ ______.
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So to summarize, we speak 'Murican round these parts.

Got it.
 
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WG53 said:
No, it is not the same thing. Job training focuses solely on the skills needed for a vocation therefore narrow in scope. Higher learning is not focused solely on one type of learning and has broader applications.

Also a bachelors in psychology is quite useless. A masters or doctorate is what you need in that field.
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So my biology degree did not help to train me for my current job or any other labratory position? Hmm
 
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WG53 said:
You seem to be missing my point and focusing on one thing.

Colleges are not job training schools.
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milohimself said:
Definition for college - Oxford Dictionaries Online (World English)
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This is all I'm saying. I'm not disagreeing with the larger point you've made, I do think a lot of people, I do think a number of people have lost sight of what universities are for, but the broader picture is that we need to get as many people in this country as possible through secondary education at the proper scholastic aptitude and ready for higher education, whether that means vocational training (at colleges) or a four year degree or more.
 
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Tech schools aren't a bad option. I have a friend that for whatever reason couldn't make it in college. He went and got his electrician license, and he's already making like 20 something an hour in his first year working. That's not crazy rich money, but for where we live, that's a really good living.
 
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Volst53 said:
Tech schools aren't a bad option. I have a friend that for whatever reason couldn't make it in college. He went and got his electrician license, and he's already making like 20 something an hour in his first year working. That's not crazy rich money, but for where we live, that's a really good living.
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I think you mean university.
 
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