Incompetent Officiating?

Several times during the game, GT players grabbed the back of shoulder pads at the neck and pulled UT receivers/ball carriers down to the ground. There is no mistaking these for anything other than horse collar tackles - against the rules. The GT secondary did this so often, one cannot help but wonder if it is coached behavior. Two flagrant horse collar tackles are featured in the game highlights, and yet these were not called by the refs nor called out by the game announcers...
 
Whether true or not, I hate whining about officiating. It makes us sound like Kentucky basketball fans
 
I'm glad the game did not end with a penalty runoff.

It ended with #16 getting Smashed :hi:
 
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They have some discretion with the rule otherwise the QB would just throw the ball at the defenders back every play to get an instant PI call.

Discretion is it has to be a catchable ball. And not true they would much rather see their WR come up with a catch than get a PI. Making a catch gives a chance for more yards.
 
Several times during the game, GT players grabbed the back of shoulder pads at the neck and pulled UT receivers/ball carriers down to the ground. There is no mistaking these for anything other than horse collar tackles - against the rules. The GT secondary did this so often, one cannot help but wonder if it is coached behavior. Two flagrant horse collar tackles are featured in the game highlights, and yet these were not called by the refs nor called out by the game announcers...
You saw it happen with GT twice I saw it happen with UT once lol. It's part of the game. Issue is fans only see penalties against their team and not the other way around. I just posted a picture of your OT grabbing our DE around the neck.....I could use those and say one can only wonder if it is coaches behavior.
 
Play after play after play, at the line of scrimmage and in the open field I saw GT offensive players diving into the legs of Vol defenders at or below the knees. Frequently, the offensive players were outside of the "10-to-2" region of the defender. I considered these illegal blocks and dangerous to the well-being of the defenders. In light of the following NCAA rules clarification, what say you? Did GT commit numerous uncalled illegal blocks?

9. Blocking Below the Waist (Rule 9-1-6) FR-89
Changes to paragraph a: (New language is in bold italics)
“a. Team A prior to a change of team possession:
1. The following Team A players may legally block below the waist inside the tackle box until they leave the tackle box or until the ball has left the tackle box: (a) players on the line of scrimmage completely inside the tackle box and (b) stationary backs who are at least partially inside the tackle box and at least partially inside the frame of the body of the second lineman from the snapper.
2. Except as in paragraph 3 (below), players not covered in paragraph 1 (above) while the ball is still in the tackle box, and all players after the ball has left the tackle box, are allowed to block below the waist only if the force of the initial contact is directed from the front. “From the front” is understood to mean within the clock-face region between “10 o’clock and 2 o’clock” forward of the player being blocked.
3. Players not covered in paragraph 1 (above) may not block below the waist toward the line through the original position of the ball at the snap until the ball carrier is clearly beyond the neutral zone.
4. Once the ball has left the tackle box a player may not block below the waist toward his own end line.”

I consistently saw holds from UT offensive linemen.......
 
I consistently saw holds from UT offensive linemen.......

Yeah yeah yeah, a hold can be called on just about any play! The illegal blocks below the waist, the obvious facemask not called, and the blocks in the back are a whole different thing.
 
Yeah yeah yeah, a hold can be called on just about any play! The illegal blocks below the waist, the obvious facemask not called, and the blocks in the back are a whole different thing.

Yes there are "patsy" holds all the time. That's not what I'm talking about. These two hold are on the same play and not "patsy" holds that happened every play. It's called football UT had calls go their way and GT had them go their way.
 

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Yes there are "patsy" holds all the time. That's not what I'm talking about. These two hold are on the same play and not "patsy" holds that happened every play. It's called football UT had calls go their way and GT had them go their way.

Like I said you talking about holding. I'm talking about illegal low blocks, clipping and an obvious facemask. All that and to not even mention the no telling how many illegal formation no calls. If ya want I can post screens of y'alls receivers holding down field all night, a couple.ete takle by an offensive lineman in the backfield.
 
Like I said you talking about holding. I'm talking about illegal low blocks, clipping and an obvious facemask. All that and to not even mention the no telling how many illegal formation no calls. If ya want I can post screens of y'alls receivers holding down field all night, a couple.ete takle by an offensive lineman in the backfield.
Dude it goes both ways, do you really think your DB's weren't holding? Do you think y'all didnt have a hand on a face mask? I know of one for sure. Like I said some only see what they want. And I showed the holds because you said every play could have a hold, I was showing you it's wasn't some simple hold. What's the difference between a hold that allows a RB get a 10 yard gain and a hold from a DB that doesn't allow a WR to get down field? It's the same thing, still a penalty lol.

And can you show me one clip? Not saying there wasn't any but maybe 1?
 
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Dude it goes both ways, do you really think your DB's weren't holding? Do you think y'all didnt have a hand on a face mask? I know of one for sure. Like I said some only see what they want. And I showed the holds because you said every play could have a hold, I was showing you it's wasn't some simple hold. What's the difference between a hold that allows a RB get a 10 yard gain and a hold from a DB that doesn't allow a WR to get down field? It's the same thing, still a penalty lol.

Ok, I'm gonna tell you this one more time since I'm starting to see how dense you really are... Illegal low blocks, blocks in the back and facemask. Show me the a screen of a hand on a facemask since you know of one for sure! I said every play could potentially be a holding call because that's what you seem to be emphasizing.
 
Like I said you talking about holding. I'm talking about illegal low blocks, clipping and an obvious facemask. All that and to not even mention the no telling how many illegal formation no calls. If ya want I can post screens of y'alls receivers holding down field all night, a couple.ete takle by an offensive lineman in the backfield.
So what you are saying is calls were missed on both sided?
 
Ok, I'm gonna tell you this one more time since I'm starting to see how dense you really are... Illegal low blocks, blocks in the back and facemask. Show me the a screen of a hand on a facemask since you know of one for sure! I said every play could potentially be a holding call because that's what you seem to be emphasizing.

Show me all the illegal low blocks please.....your acting as those penalties you are saying are bigger penalties, but in reality a penalty is a penalty is a penalty lol..... not that hard of a concept. I'll wait for your proof of ALL those illegal blocks though.
 
Show me all the illegal low blocks please.....your acting as those penalties you are saying are bigger penalties, but in reality a penalty is a penalty is a penalty lol..... not that hard of a concept. I'll wait for your proof of ALL those illegal blocks though.

Only got flagged for it once, so I'm willing to bet it was done more than that one time. Just like your proof of the hand on a facemask! Yeah it goes both ways, but you keep on harping on a hold, that you said was on one play and I'm saying GT got away with a few holds plus a whole lot more. Actually during the whole game I kept hoping our offense would return the favor and start cut blocking like crazy.
 
Only got flagged for it once, so I'm willing to bet it was done more than that one time. Just like your proof of the hand on a facemask! Yeah it goes both ways, but you keep on harping on a hold, that you said was on one play and I'm saying GT got away with a few holds plus a whole lot more. Actually during the whole game I kept hoping our offense would return the favor and start cut blocking like crazy.

I saw more holds than just that one play lol. I agree GT got away with penalties. You on the other hand only see what you want and you are acting like it was way worse against UT with no proof. Im not claiming it was worse against GT. I'm saying it went both ways. You are just complaining because it's your team and I understand that. Most fans don't objectively look at things because they love their team so much though.
 
Ok.

That facemask was a definite screwup by the refs. I saw it live and was like "woah! can't believe they didn't flag us for that." I guess the ref thought he got him by the dreads, but it looked like an obv facemask to me.

I saw holds missed on both sides of the ball. I saw you guys get a major gain off of a pretty blatant pick on a pass play, might have been one of those TDs, I can't recall.

On targeting ... all I can say is that what we did to yall on tackles pales in comparison to what UGA does to us every single snap. I can't imagine they're kinder to you than they are to us, but maybe they are. I presumed that sort of tackling was pretty much par for the course in the SEC.

This isn't a real thing though:

The thing that bothered me was the fact that GT had players in the backfield moving toward the line of scrimmage illegally all game long. One guy goes in motion and then the fullback or another back was almost always moving forward slightly before the snap.

..it's an artifact of taking the snap from so deep under center. (see other thread, front page, making fun of the QB having his chin on the center's ass) The B back is going on the snap, the OLs are going a little after it. Refs can see the snap, but we can't on TV as well as they can. It looks a little funny, but trust me it looks like that every game we play.
 
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I do not recall ever seeing a defender removed from the field, incapacitated because of a hold.

I have seen players taken out of a game because of flagrant facemasks, horse collar tackles, and blocks from the side at or below the knees. A penalty is a penalty, yes, but some fouls risk injury to opposing players more than others.
 
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Numerous holds not called that were in plain sight and of course the block in the back on Gaulden.

This. I mean..there were holds that were being ignored that were so blatant it should have been impossibru for the referees to not see them...
 
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