In your lifetime, who has been your favorite Vol coach?

#902
#902
VegasVol said:
How many coaches have lost as 41 point favorites at home? How many coaches have lost chances at national titles three different seasons because they lost games where they were favored to win by 17 or more?

Hint: Answer to #1 is Pete Carroll.
Hint: Answer to #2 is Steve Spurrier.
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I love how you think Vegas helps determine how good a coach is.
 
#903
#903
VegasVol said:
How many coaches have lost as 41 point favorites at home? How many coaches have lost chances at national titles three different seasons because they lost games where they were favored to win by 17 or more?

Hint: Answer to #1 is Pete Carroll.
Hint: Answer to #2 is Steve Spurrier.
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Vegas lines are an attempt to set a number that will result in the betting public putting equal money on each side.
 
#905
#905
VegasVol said:
They play a part; they're just not as important as the skill positions in determining the game-changing talent that wins most games.
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Try running or passing with an inferior OL or covering receivers with no pass rush, and there will be no opportunity to change anything but your sweat soaked jock strap.
 
#906
#906
If I can be so crass as to reply to the original question. I have been alive since Neyland's reign, but I never saw him coach, so other than him, I thought Doug Dickey did the most to improve UT football from the standpoint of the level it was when he began to where it was when he left.
 
#907
#907
rbroyles said:
Try running or passing with an inferior OL or covering receivers with no pass rush, and there will be no opportunity to change anything but your sweat soaked jock strap.
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Doesn't matter. According to vegas having skill position players with multi-year NFL careers is what will win you games.
 
#908
#908
Born in 62,
James McDonald
Doug Dickey
Bill Battle
John Majors
Phil Fulmer
Lane Kiffin
Derek Dooley

AND I STILL PICK NEYLAND :)
 
#911
#911
BigOrangePassion1 said:
Umm probably in response to the guy who said a good coach wouldnt lose to wyoming at home.
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So, b/c Saban (a good coach) lost to a bad team at home, that means that Fulmer is a good coach too b/c he did the same?

Sorry, Fulmer is nothing more than a mediocre, at best, coach who had great talent for a while.
 
#912
#912
VegasVol said:
How many coaches have lost as 41 point favorites at home? How many coaches have lost chances at national titles three different seasons because they lost games where they were favored to win by 17 or more?

Hint: Answer to #1 is Pete Carroll.
Hint: Answer to #2 is Steve Spurrier.
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Now point out their multiple losing seasons.

And please don't try to use the NFL.
 
#913
#913
Volfan8282 said:
So, b/c Saban (a good coach) lost to a bad team at home, that means that Fulmer is a good coach too b/c he did the same?

Sorry, Fulmer is nothing more than a mediocre, at best, coach who had great talent for a while.
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That's a perfect summation of Fulmer. And his post-Tennessee employment simply validates that statement.
 
#914
#914
justingroves said:
Vegas lines are an attempt to set a number that will result in the betting public putting equal money on each side.
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You've never been to Vegas, much. This is a myth Vegas pushes to get suckers to think the lines reflect public perception rather than likely outcomes. Vegas lines are never set to try to get equal money on each side, as that is practically impossible most of the time. Vegas lines are set to reflect the probable outcome of the game, according to the collective judgment of the managers of the sports-books. That is why it is often the case that 80% or more of the bets are only on one side of the line; the goal for Vegas is to be accurate, not to get "equal money" which could be rarely obtained anyway.
 
#915
#915
Born in 74 to Army family (travelled a lot and didn't see all the Vol ball I wanted too...=( ) so the coaches I remember are Majors, Fulmer, Kiffin, and Dooley (who should be excluded since he has yet to coach a single game or win a single national title for UT yet)...I still say Fulmer was the best of these in his prime...I just think he hung on too long...just my opinoin
 
#916
#916
Volfan8282 said:
Sorry, Fulmer is nothing more than a mediocre, at best, coach who had great talent for a while.
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I would disagree on the mediocre. I agree for a period he had great talent which makes championship coaches.

Saban is also a good coach. He was good at Michigan St but could not make them a championship team. Harder place to recruit to. He became a championship coach at LSU and Alabama where it is easier too get great talent.

95% of the championship teams always have one key component, talent. With the league championship games, a less talented team could win a league championship in a one game playoff but msot of the time they got there because of the talent.

Vandy and Kentucky are teams that can't even get there due to talent levels. They have good coaches but are hard schools to recruit to.

Mediocre coaches don't last very long at a school or get multiple opportunities at several schools. They just would not stay in the business that long if mediocre.

Fulmer coached for 36 years. mediocre coaches don't coach for 36 years. jmo
 
#918
#918
utgibbs said:
I give you the University of Louisiana Monroe.

G, S, M.

btw - Wyoming is all on Hambone.
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Nick Saban has said repeatedly throughout his career that first year wins and losses are irrelevant because he is focused on installing his system for the future. He won't compromise future success for immediate mediocrity. If Fulmer said something similar about year 15 not being important, I'll accept that.

Wyoming is not all on Hambone. Even if you believe the players mailed it in due to Fulmer's firing, we had just been brutalized by South Carolina. Had that not happened, Hamilton waits until the end of the year to announce Fulmer's departure. Phil forced the hand by humiliating our football program.
 
#920
#920
I haven't been a huge fan of any of them in my lifetime (Majors to the present), but I guess Fulmer would be my fave.
 
#921
#921
LWSVOL said:
I would disagree on the mediocre. I agree for a period he had great talent which makes championship coaches.

Saban is also a good coach. He was good at Michigan St but could not make them a championship team. Harder place to recruit to. He became a championship coach at LSU and Alabama where it is easier too get great talent.

95% of the championship teams always have one key component, talent. With the league championship games, a less talented team could win a league championship in a one game playoff but msot of the time they got there because of the talent.

Vandy and Kentucky are teams that can't even get there due to talent levels. They have good coaches but are hard schools to recruit to.

Mediocre coaches don't last very long at a school or get multiple opportunities at several schools. They just would not stay in the business that long if mediocre.

Fulmer coached for 36 years. mediocre coaches don't coach for 36 years. jmo
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Oh, I'm not saying that talent isn't a huge piece of the equation. It definitely is. But, to me, we had enough talent to be much, much better than we were under Fulmer, especially over the last decade. On top of that, he was 8-26 against the upper echelon of SEC programs/coaches. We had comparable talent to a lot of teams that we lost to... He just fell flat repeatedly.
 
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