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#26
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Butch s said:
Are you referring to us as a competitive top tier d1 football program??? In it’s current state
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See my other post about numbers & perspective for this year.

The football program alone brought in over $124 million in revenue in 2024. It has a valuation of $1.37 billion.

I expect an organization with those numbers to perform like a top tier D1 football program.
 
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RiverVol said:
is sloppiness the norm for a competitive top tier D1 football program?

I watched the first Press Conference footage last night since JH was hired.

I'm out of the loop on what is the norm. I know we've had a few coaches who shall not be named who didn't present very well on the sideline.

In a previous life, a press conference meant something. If a person was a professional with their direct reports and coworkers, they were always even more "on point" in front of the people who "signed their checks".

Call me old school, but I would've fired JH on the spot if I was signing the checks and walked into that presser.

Does no one care anymore? Do we not have enough money to ask professionalism? Has the sport as a whole devolved where that will never be expected again?

To me - the appearance/affect alone that I saw explains so, so much about everything I've seen on the field.

Do you see it differently?
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Just like the Fulmer show and the Majors show before it. Its all changed OP.
 
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YankeeVol said:
What about when your own players say it out loud?

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I don't put much into this. Outside of glaring weak D, I put most on offensive play calling in second half...especially when other team scores, I've noticed this year that our pattern is: run on first (get stuffed or minor gain), throw low percentage deep ball... third and long...punt. With our offense, getting the first first down of the drive, coming off other team score is imperative...otherwise, we're giving the ball back in about a minute...giving the other team more momentum to go up against our gassed D, which is already sub-standard.
 
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njvols said:
I don't put much into this. Outside of glaring weak D, I put most on offensive play calling in second half...especially when other team scores, I've noticed this year that our pattern is: run on first (get stuffed or minor gain), throw low percentage deep ball... third and long...punt. With our offense, getting the first first down of the drive, coming off other team score is imperative...otherwise, we're giving the ball back in about a minute...giving the other team more momentum to go up against our gassed D, which is already sub-standard.
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I do. JA just told you everything that's wrong with UT Football. On both sides.

You play the way you practice. This young man is going to do great things in life. He's a worker, a fighter, and a winner.

And he calls it like he sees it.
 
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BDP! said:
JH has the same record as CD in his 2nd year. If we had a 12 team playoff in 2022 we would have been in it.
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ok. I think you might be missing the point, but fair. I get that.

Alabama is about to play for the SEC championship.

In Heupel's 2nd year, Georgia defeated LSU in that game. We were not invited. We were also not invited this year. Or in any of Heupel's 5 years as coach.

As a matter of fact, the last time we were invited to that game was 1998.
 
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RiverVol said:
is sloppiness the norm for a competitive top tier D1 football program?

I watched the first Press Conference footage last night since JH was hired.

I'm out of the loop on what is the norm. I know we've had a few coaches who shall not be named who didn't present very well on the sideline.

In a previous life, a press conference meant something. If a person was a professional with their direct reports and coworkers, they were always even more "on point" in front of the people who "signed their checks".

Call me old school, but I would've fired JH on the spot if I was signing the checks and walked into that presser.

Does no one care anymore? Do we not have enough money to ask professionalism? Has the sport as a whole devolved where that will never be expected again?

To me - the appearance/affect alone that I saw explains so, so much about everything I've seen on the field.

Do you see it differently?
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Same here, I'm old school and grew up watching Majors and Fulmer teams. Heupel's teams are soft, undisciplined and obviously not transitioning to the NFL game. That eventually catches up to you if you and your Coach's aren't developing players and getting them ready for the NFL. Since Peyton, we can't even get a damn QB that can do anything meaningful in the NFL. Even Heupel's skill guys, Hyatt,Simpson,Wright,Small, Thornton etc aren't doing anything in the NFL.

That press conference last night would have been my breaking point if I was White. Heupel didn't look like he cared or gave a damn. He might not be leaving, but he definitely had the look and temperament of someone that is. Or, he's lost his fire and is ok with mediocrity and getting out ass beat by our in-state rival.

We have plenty of so called fans that are ok with what they saw last night and love making excuses for him and blaming injuries, calling it a rebuild year, blah, blah,blah. You shouldn't have to rebuild in year 5 with our resources, no excuse for that
 
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jasonvol18 said:
Same here, I'm old school and grew up watching Majors and Fulmer teams. Heupel's teams are soft, undisciplined and obviously not transitioning to the NFL game. That eventually catches up to you if you and your Coach's aren't developing players and getting them ready for the NFL. Since Peyton, we can't even get a damn QB that can do anything meaningful in the NFL. Even Heupel's skill guys, Hyatt,Simpson,Wright,Small, Thornton etc aren't doing anything in the NFL.

That press conference last night would have been my breaking point if I was White. Heupel didn't look like he cared or gave a damn. He might not be leaving, but he definitely had the look and temperament of someone that is. Or, he's lost his fire and is ok with mediocrity and getting out ass beat by our in-state rival.

We have plenty of so called fans that are ok with what they saw last night and love making excuses for him and blaming injuries, calling it a rebuild year, blah, blah,blah. You shouldn't have to rebuild in year 5 with our resources, no excuse for that
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Yep. And I went back and watched all of Aguilar's post-game statements. Everything you need to know about what's wrong with this team is right there. He did a masterful job of saying it without coming right out and saying it. My respect for him has only gone up after that. This young man could have, and would have, done great things this year if the coaching staff and team had met his commitment to winning.

It's all there for all to see when you step back and look at it with an unbiased eye. Undisciplined; lackadaisical; out of position; slow; sloppy. Habits learned, or lost, on the practice field. You can't "take it up a notch" on game day when you spent the week trying to not get anyone hurt, or being lazy. Who was it said "You play the way you practice."

This is what's wrong with UT Football. Shame our 1-yr, came from nowhere QB had to be the one to point it out. Maybe CJH should add him to the staff as a Quality Coach.
 
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RiverVol said:
ok. I think you might be missing the point, but fair. I get that.

Alabama is about to play for the SEC championship.

In Heupel's 2nd year, Georgia defeated LSU in that game. We were not invited. We were also not invited this year. Or in any of Heupel's 5 years as coach.

As a matter of fact, the last time we were invited to that game was 1998.
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We had divisions in 2022. That’s the only reason we didn’t play in the SEC championship game. We beat both LSU and bama. If we are playing under today’s rules, Tennessee and Georgia would have played in the SECCG. Also, CD, who I think is a really good coach, inherited a stacked roster.
 
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YankeeVol said:
What about when your own players say it out loud?

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We came out smoking Saturday so I am not sure thay is why we appeared to quite in the second half. I think the coaches were badly out coached in the the second half and that was on both sides of the ball.Joey‘s problems were his because he is not the athlete we and most teams need in today‘s game. His arm is not as strong as needed for our long ball plays. He is probably better than Nico, but that is saying very much.
 
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VOLINVONORE said:
We came out smoking Saturday so I am not sure thay is why we appeared to quite in the second half. I think the coaches were badly out coached in the the second half and that was on both sides of the ball.Joey‘s problems were his because he is not the athlete we and most teams need in today‘s game. His arm is not as strong as needed for our long ball plays. He is probably better than Nico, but that is saying very much.
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They blitzed and he threw off his back foot 94.6% of the game.
 
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Butch s said:
Are you referring to us as a competitive top tier d1 football program??? In it’s current state
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If he is winning championships, beating UGA, Florida and Alabama regularly, he could wear whatever he wants too. His appearance reflects on the university. I cringed when Fulmer had the introductory press conference for Pruitt. His speech sounded like it came from an uneducated hick. You would never believe that he had a college education. Our record of hiring coaches the last two decades seems like we always go the bargain basement route.
 
#46
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RiverVol said:
is sloppiness the norm for a competitive top tier D1 football program?

I watched the first Press Conference footage last night since JH was hired.

I'm out of the loop on what is the norm. I know we've had a few coaches who shall not be named who didn't present very well on the sideline.

In a previous life, a press conference meant something. If a person was a professional with their direct reports and coworkers, they were always even more "on point" in front of the people who "signed their checks".

Call me old school, but I would've fired JH on the spot if I was signing the checks and walked into that presser.

Does no one care anymore? Do we not have enough money to ask professionalism? Has the sport as a whole devolved where that will never be expected again?

To me - the appearance/affect alone that I saw explains so, so much about everything I've seen on the field.

Do you see it differently?
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I remember when you didn't have these post game pressers like they do now.

I DO remember the Vince Dooley shows growing up in GA, and I think Major's did it as well. The 30 minute shows. The coach and the host. Reviewing the game and highlights. I'm sure other coaches did as well. Different format than the bombardment of presser questions. And all were in atleast ties and blazers. And all wore them on the sidelines. Majors I think was the last UT coach to wear coat and tie on the sidelines. Early 90's the tradition was kinda fading.

I kind of like the old school coat and tie to a professional job look. Didn't offer much protection in the inclimate weather or freezing cold games though. Al Golden may have been the last modern era coach to wear a tie on the sidelines.
 
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deatojl said:
This Heupel sloppiness nonsense reminds me of Bama fans complaining about Deboer's appearance all last season. It was a constant stream of complaints from their fanbase about him wearing t-shirts and hoodies on the sideline and how unprofessional it was. This year, they wanted him to wear the black hoodie every game because of a win streak.
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GVF said:
I remember when you didn't have these post game pressers like they do now.

I DO remember the Vince Dooley shows growing up in GA, and I think Major's did it as well. The 30 minute shows. The coach and the host. Reviewing the game and highlights. I'm sure other coaches did as well. Different format than the bombardment of presser questions. And all were in atleast ties and blazers. And all wore them on the sidelines. Majors I think was the last UT coach to wear coat and tie on the sidelines. Early 90's the tradition was kinda fading.

I kind of like the old school coat and tie to a professional job look. Didn't offer much protection in the inclimate weather or freezing cold games though. Al Golden may have been the last modern era coach to wear a tie on the sidelines.
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Johnny didn't always wear the tie. There's multiple pictures of him, particularly with Bear, where he's in a polo after the game even in the late 70s.

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Alabama coach Bear Bryant with Tennesse coach Johnny Majors after... News Photo - Getty Images Alabama coach Bear Bryant with Tennesse coach Johnny Majors after...
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Johnny didn't always wear the tie. There's multiple pictures of him, particularly with Bear, where he's in a polo after the game even in the late 70s.

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Alabama coach Bear Bryant with Tennesse coach Johnny Majors after... News Photo - Getty Images Alabama coach Bear Bryant with Tennesse coach Johnny Majors after...
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So did Major's go back and forth? I remember seeing him in a coat alot too. Regardelss, he's in a "golf" polo and slacks that is tucked in. Acceptable.
 
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GVF said:
So did Major's go back and forth? I remember seeing him in a coat alot too. Regardelss, he's in a "golf" polo and slacks that is tucked in. Acceptable.
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I believe he did still wear at least a tie sometimes.

In the famous "on the shoulders shaking Bear's hand" photo, he's not in a tie.
 
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