In the end, Hamilton may have saved us (football)

#26
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Ravenheart said:
Hamilton (as inept as he may be) hired him and expected him to adhere to not only the guidelines and benchmarks of the Tennessee football program, but of the NCAA as well. Kiffin chose not to, and while many may play the "he was a representative of the University of Tennessee" card, an entire program should not be penalized for the past actions of a man who no longer works there, especially if he left after only one year.
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there's a reason every university has a compliance dept and it's not because they want to help the unemployment numbers
 
#27
#27
combine it with pearl and you dont' think that maybe hamilton had some monitoring problems? just expecting him to do things the right way ain't enough.
 
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#28
utvolpj said:
there's a reason every university has a compliance dept and it's not because they want to help the unemployment numbers
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droski said:
combine it with pearl and you dont' think that maybe hamilton had some monitoring problems? just expecting him to do things the right way ain't enough.
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Fine.
Bottom line, though, is that Kiffin broke the rules, then cut and ran into the night. The penalties should follow him. That's my opinion.
 
#31
#31
Ravenheart said:
Fine.
Bottom line, though, is that Kiffin broke the rules, then cut and ran into the night. The penalties should follow him. That's my opinion.
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so if we fire Bruce today this should just all magically go away? I assume you are also for USC getting off without penalties since their coach left too
 
#32
#32
how does hamilton keep his job? all the major sports are under investigation, the teams aren't doing very well and coaches are getting millions. does he have pictures of someone?
 
#33
#33
you are a tenn fan no? it certainly serves it's purpose if kiffin gets the brunt of the sanctions.
 
#36
#36
One interesting sub-plot here is the question of whether the NCAA is "out to get" Lane Kiffin.

We all remember the trouble he stirred up while he was here, dismissing secondary violations as unimportant, talking trash to other coaches,and basically thumbing his nose at the NCAA.

I also remember the assertions that the NCAA sanctions brought down against USC were harsher than they should have been and the reason being that they had hired Kiffin.

The NOV "seems" to back that up, transferring a lot of the violations to the coach rather than the institution, which to me seems to be a change of practice for the NCAA.

I wonder if this is a sea change for the NCAA where they are going after the coaches instead of just the schools, or are the just out to get CLK?

Regardles - I like it.

GBO !
 
#37
#37
the reason they are probably putting much of it on Kiffin is because UT can show they instructed the coaches in how to do things but were ignored.
 
#38
#38
droski said:
you are a tenn fan no? it certainly serves it's purpose if kiffin gets the brunt of the sanctions.
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Ok. Forgive me, I misunderstood for a brief second. :hi:

utvolpj said:
so if we fire Bruce today this should just all magically go away? I assume you are also for USC getting off without penalties since their coach left too
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Ok. Let me say this again. He broke the rules while he was here. He then left. This is a rather difficult situation, to be honest. The penalties should follow Kiffin not because he left. The penalties should follow him because he was the coach during the time period in question. I'm merely saying that it should be a penalty against Kiffin, not against Tennessee. But here's where it gets dicey: do you really think that it would make sense for the NFL to penalize Pete Carroll for infractions committed while he was coaching in the college ranks? We're talking two very different arenas. Oh, and we're looking at this from a football standpoint, not a basketball standpoint. But since you brought him up, I'll go ahead and say that Bruce acknowledged that he had done wrong, and he should face the consequences, but I think that because he admitted his faults, he should be allowed to keep his job, but must still face stiff penalties. I'm not sure what they'll do, but if I had to guess, I would say a sharp reduction in pay, revocation of scholarships, and a considerable postseason ban would be likely penalties. If you wish to discuss Bruce more, we can talk about him in the basketball forum.
 
#39
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Ravenheart said:
I think that because he admitted his faults, he should be allowed to keep his job, but must still face stiff penalties.
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so if i get caught on tape robbing someone and then admit i did it maybe I shouldnt' be getting jail time?
 
#40
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droski said:
so if i get caught on tape robbing someone and then admit i did it maybe I shouldnt' be getting jail time?
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No. You should still be punished, but the punishment usually won't be as bad as if you had said you didn't rob someone.

Same thing with Bruce. He cheated, then lied about it, BUT, he came clean and admitted his faults. He only got an eight-game SEC suspension out of it, when such actions are grounds for termination. I think that they took that, among other factors, into account. That's all I'm saying.
 
#41
#41
i guess i just don't see the honor of confessing AFTER you get caught red handed and it's obvious you are guilty. isn't that just saving your arse?
 
#44
#44
I want Kiffin to fry just as much as the next person. The fact of the matter is that sooner or later, Kiffin will be the cause of his own demise. His 9 lives are going fast.

He is used to getting his own way on a regular basis. Of course he is going to blame UT for everything that happened. Who wouldn't?
 
#45
#45
droski said:
strange how haden can rein kiffin in but hamilton couldn't do so for both of his major coaches.
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Part of it is the difference between having a job that you want to keep for 20 years and having a disposable job that you're just using as a stepstone to get somewhere else.
 
#46
#46
Ravenheart said:
I'm merely saying that it should be a penalty against Kiffin, not against Tennessee. But here's where it gets dicey: do you really think that it would make sense for the NFL to penalize Pete Carroll for infractions committed while he was coaching in the college ranks? We're talking two very different arenas.
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still didn't answer, should USC be given a clean slate since their coach left? Should a school not get in trouble for the actions of their employees?
 
#47
#47
On this subject, I'll say this, if Mike Vick can return the the NFL and continue making millions after killing millions of innocent animals (that's worse than killing people you know), then surely Bruce Pearl can remain at Tennessee and lead us to the promise land.
 
#48
#48
LaughingSamsDice said:
On this subject, I'll say this, if Mike Vick can return the the NFL and continue making millions after killing millions of innocent animals (that's worse than killing people you know), then surely Bruce Pearl can remain at Tennessee and lead us to the promise land.
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Say what?!?
 
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