In our own back yard

#76
#76
therickbol said:
Whoa, now you have gone up to 7-10 from our state every year? You have a vastly embellished sense of what kind of talent our state produces on a yearly basis. Some years we might want to get 7 players from our state. But there are plenty of years where we dont want 7 players from our state. The talent is just not there.
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7 players out of TN is not embellishing, 7 to 10 is USUALLY the norm. I didnt go up, that is what I have always said. There are that many that go to the big SEC schools every year. There is usually 5 out of Memphis area, thats what I said, sometimes a little less and sometimes a couple more.
 
#77
#77
bamasucks76 said:
7 players out of TN is not embellishing, 7 to 10 is USUALLY the norm. I didnt go up, that is what I have always said. There are that many that go to the big SEC schools every year. There is usually 5 out of Memphis area, thats what I said, sometimes a little less and sometimes a couple more.
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and our results have shown that to be a good idea?
 
#78
#78
GahLee said:
Could it be because it isn't our backyard...just saying.
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I never said it was in our backyard. I said it was in our state. There are a few (you included) on here that just take someone's statement, and turn it into something that was never said.

I'll tell you this, Memphis is in Tennessee. According to your theory USC shouldn't recruit Fresno or The Bay Area. Or Texas shouldn't recruit a kid from across the state. When those schools come calling those kids listen. UT NEEDS to make a good effort to get in with some of the Memphis HS coaches, plain and simple. And to tell you the truth... I think Dooley is the guy that can do it.
 
#79
#79
GahLee said:
I believe the fence around Memphis talk when I see it, we lose more than we get..Chris Walker was an average player at UT. Dan Williams turned out pretty well. Not a very extensive list.

Take the kids that UT has signed from that area over the past 10 years and make a team, I will make a team of kids that UT has not gotten over that same period. My team would look a lot better than your team.
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Sounds like that makes a point that we should do better in that area.
 
#81
#81
GahLee said:
I believe the fence around Memphis talk when I see it, we lose more than we get..Chris Walker was an average player at UT. Dan Williams turned out pretty well. Not a very extensive list.

Take the kids that UT has signed from that area over the past 10 years and make a team, I will make a team of kids that UT has not gotten over that same period. My team would look a lot better than your team.
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What.....thats the point! You were arguing that there is not good talent coming from Memphis. We have been saying the whole time we need a fence around memphis not you. You just contradicted yourself and agreed with us.
 
#82
#82
RichRollin said:
I never said it was in our backyard. I said it was in our state. There are a few (you included) on here that just take someone's statement, and turn it into something that was never said.

I'll tell you this, Memphis is in Tennessee. According to your theory USC shouldn't recruit Fresno or The Bay Area. Or Texas shouldn't recruit a kid from across the state. When those schools come calling those kids listen. UT NEEDS to make a good effort to get in with some of the Memphis HS coaches, plain and simple. And to tell you the truth... I think Dooley is the guy that can do it.
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I'm not turnig anything around, I made a very true statement, it is a 6 hour drive, how is that your backyard in any way? I have never said that we shouldn't recruit Memphis.

Plenty of good talent there that UT misses out on consistently.

IMO, to be "your backyard" it has to be relatively close or you have to do some serious work there recruiting year in and year out...to me, Georgia is more our backyard then Memphis...we do well there.

I think all of VN needs to chill, if you don't guzzle orange kool-aid, you are nothing more than a negavol...blind loyalty will get you nothing but utter disappointment.
 
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#84
#84
bamasucks76 said:
What.....thats the point! You were arguing that there is not good talent coming from Memphis. We have been saying the whole time we need a fence around memphis not you. You just contradicted yourself and agreed with us.
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I have never said that there wasn't good talent in memphis, go back and read, my statement was that Memphis is not Ut's backyard...how hard is that to understand.
 
#86
#86
utvolpj said:
and our results have shown that to be a good idea?
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Yes, were our teams not good from the 90's till '08? It has dropped of the last couple of years but Im not saying that lack of TN talent is the reason. Im saying that there is 7 to 10 SEC guys each year in TN and thats a fact. Especially when you consider everyone has to fill rosters so we arent saying they are all five star starters. The guys like Hightower, Oher, etc. need to be here and there are easily 7 guys each year.
 
#87
#87
RichRollin said:
I never said it was in our backyard. I said it was in our state. There are a few (you included) on here that just take someone's statement, and turn it into something that was never said.

I'll tell you this, Memphis is in Tennessee. According to your theory USC shouldn't recruit Fresno or The Bay Area. Or Texas shouldn't recruit a kid from across the state. When those schools come calling those kids listen. UT NEEDS to make a good effort to get in with some of the Memphis HS coaches, plain and simple. And to tell you the truth... I think Dooley is the guy that can do it.
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:clapping:

Pretty simple, except it is our backyard and most here are UT football fans by far. We just have to do a better job getting the ones we want, and yes DD can and will.
 
#88
#88
GahLee said:
I believe the fence around Memphis talk when I see it, we lose more than we get..Chris Walker was an average player at UT. Dan Williams turned out pretty well. Not a very extensive list.

Take the kids that UT has signed from that area over the past 10 years and make a team, I will make a team of kids that UT has not gotten over that same period. My team would look a lot better than your team.
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That's my point EXACTLY. You said it for me but wasn't BRIGHT enough to know when you are sticking your foot in your own mouth. The players going to other schools and making impacts are the ones we need to keep at home. And they are not all from Memphis. But even the ones from Memphis need to play for UT if Dooley can make it happen.
 
#91
#91
RichRollin said:
That's my point EXACTLY. You said it for me but wasn't BRIGHT enough to know when you are sticking your foot in your own mouth. The players going to other schools and making impacts are the ones we need to keep at home. And they are not all from Memphis. But even the ones from Memphis need to play for UT if Dooley can make it happen.
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You and BamaSucks need to help...I have never said that UT should not recuit Memphis, never said that the talent there wasn't any good. I think that UT should go after the best prospects wherever they are.

All I did was say that Memphis is not our backyard and it isn't, that is about as simple as I can put it without writing it out in crayons for you and Bamasucks.
 
#92
#92
I never said it was in our backyard. I said it was in our state. There are a few (you included) on here that just take someone's statement, and turn it into something that was never said.

I'll tell you this, Memphis is in Tennessee. According to your theory USC shouldn't recruit Fresno or The Bay Area. Or Texas shouldn't recruit a kid from across the state. When those schools come calling those kids listen. UT NEEDS to make a good effort to get in with some of the Memphis HS coaches, plain and simple. And to tell you the truth... I think Dooley is the guy that can do it.
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That all I am saying! Intentions of me making this thread to alert! Vol Nation that a lot of West Tennessee football players are leaving the state(Memphians), (in the last 2 recruiting cyle there has been 3 ESPN150 Memphis TN players) as a whole we should do better coaching every level, and UT go and close players not only near and around Knoxville, but also the entire state (which the city i grew up in) Memphis! AND I ALWAYED CHEERED UT VOL FOOTBALL!
 
#93
#93
GahLee said:
I'm not turnig anything around, I made a very true statement, it is a 6 hour drive, how is that your backyard in any way? I have never said that we shouldn't recruit Memphis.

Plenty of good talent there that UT misses out on consistently.

IMO, to be "your backyard" it has to be relatively close or you have to do some serious work there recruiting year in and year out...to me, Georgia is more our backyard then Memphis...we do well there.

I think all of VN needs to chill, if you don't guzzle orange kool-aid, you are nothing more than a negavol...blind loyalty will get you nothing but utter disappointment.
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I'll chill when I wanna chill. Chill isn't possible 2 days from NSD. As for being a negavol, I don't consider you a negavol. I would take it a step further and say you are flat out dishonest vol.... In other words a l!@R. Comprende amigo?
 
#94
#94
sk vol said:
What are your thoughts about Dooley trying to land 7 in-state kids this year?
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my point is more about putting a number/quota on it. If the talent is there then we get them. Pretending we struck out with a kid that went to So Miss is where this thing is crossing the line.

Atlanta is closer and has more talent we should go after

bamasucks76 said:
Yes, were our teams not good from the 90's till '08? It has dropped of the last couple of years but Im not saying that lack of TN talent is the reason. Im saying that there is 7 to 10 SEC guys each year in TN and thats a fact. Especially when you consider everyone has to fill rosters so we arent saying they are all five star starters. The guys like Hightower, Oher, etc. need to be here and there are easily 7 guys each year.
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all those TN guys didn't win a conf title in the last decade

and if they aren't UT fans then the fact they happen to live in the state means very little
 
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#95
#95
GahLee said:
You and BamaSucks need to help...I have never said that UT should not recuit Memphis, never said that the talent there wasn't any good. I think that UT should go after the best prospects wherever they are.

All I did was say that Memphis is not our backyard and it isn't, that is about as simple as I can put it without writing it out in crayons for you and Bamasucks.
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:bow2::bow2::bow2::bow2::bow2::bow2:

Sorry, I got carried away and forgot who I was speaking to. I will forever worship the ground you walk on. Have a good day King GahLee.
 
#96
#96
GahLee said:
I'm not turnig anything around, I made a very true statement, it is a 6 hour drive, how is that your backyard in any way? I have never said that we shouldn't recruit Memphis.

Plenty of good talent there that UT misses out on consistently.

IMO, to be "your backyard" it has to be relatively close or you have to do some serious work there recruiting year in and year out...to me, Georgia is more our backyard then Memphis...we do well there.

I think all of VN needs to chill, if you don't guzzle orange kool-aid, you are nothing more than a negavol...blind loyalty will get you nothing but utter disappointment.
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Good grief man! Its not drinking orange kool-aid to want to do better recruiting TN talent. You have been arguing the whole time only to agree and say the same thing. No one called you a negavol!
 
#97
#97
utvolpj said:
my point is more about putting a number/quota on it. If the talent is there then we get them. Pretending we struck out with a kid that went to So Miss is where this thing is crossing the line.

Atlanta is closer and has more talent we should go after



all those TN guys didn't win a conf title in the last decade

and if they aren't UT fans then the fact they happen to live in the state means very little
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I can respect this take on things.
 
#98
#98
bamasucks76 said:
Good grief man! Its not drinking orange kool-aid to want to do better recruiting TN talent. You have been arguing the whole time only to agree and say the same thing. No one called you a negavol!
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He's been arguing on about 5 different threads with about 20 different individuals this morning. And EACH and EVERY one of the 20 have been the ones with the issue.:question::question:
 
#99
#99
No matter what anyone says, Memphis is and will always be in our (the states) backyard. We for sure don't want to consider them our frontyard. True, there are SEC schools that are closer, but only one of those(Bama and they aren't that much closer) is, historically speaking anyway, more of a powerhouse in the SEC than UT. I agree with the statement that the Atlanta metro area is more of a priority than Memphis because that is where the most talent is by the chart in the original post and it is closer than Beale Street. Why can't we just do both? Let's keep the Micheal Oher type player away from Ole Miss while we keep the Eric Berry type player away from UGA. While we are at it, we can steal a qb from CA, a safety from LSU, a WR from Virginia and just maybe a DT from Florida. All I am trying to say is, if at all possible, lets mend those fences that were burned down on our Western and Southern borders and keep these Tennessee kids in-state if they are an SEC-caliber player and/or our coaches think they can develop them into one.
 
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#100
#100
I don't think anybody is saying that Dooley needs to establish a 24/365 presence in Memphis. But, relationships do need to be developed all across Tennessee. UT is THE state university (no disrespect to Memphis, MTSU, ETSU, UT-C, etc.) for Tennessee. Restore the prestige to UT, build some relationships across the state, and there is no reason, NO REASON, that the top prospects in the state should have any school other than UT at the top of their list. IF UT isn't at the top of those lists, it shouldn't be due to lack of effort/attention on UT's part. Whatever the number of legit FBS/SEC caliber players are available across the state in a given year, they should be catching the eye of the UT staff and have a reasonable expectation of receiving a scholarship offer, taking into consideration player position vs. UT positional needs, academic standing, etc.
 
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