In Kiff we trust!...??

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JohnLange said:
I'm sure the 7 losses had nothing to do with recruiting. It was all a coincidence that Josh Nunes withdrew his commitment immediately after Urban Meyer violated Phil for the fourth straight time.
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josh got a late offer from the school of his choice...period.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
So you would really rather Kiffin waste scholarships on kids that he doesn't like in order to bump up our meaningless Rivals ranking in February? Seriously?

The days of throwing scholarships up against the wall and seeing what sticks are over. After years of watching us pull in supposedly top recruiting classes that do nothing on the field, I'm fine with that.
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no i think we gave a unproven coach a opportunity at ut and i feel like he could do the same w/ some of these atheletes.my concern is does he know how to use their skills.

did you think we would go undefeated and win a nc w/ tee martin..........be honest now!
differant talent/abilities but took us to the promise land.

i think fulmers problem was coaching/disipline moreso than the talent we had.and that went down the line to all our coaches.
 
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ejb8910 said:
I have heard Boyd is an attitude waiting to explode. I am glad to see some discipline from the top down. Other players know what to expect and start working harder.
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im not so sure the same thing couldnt be said about clk.it has been mentioned muliple times by various sources.

i would have been happy to see boyd come in and compete w/ the q.b.s we have now.

i would also bet you a dollar it would have locked down stokes/brown and oku.from what i read they were in close contact with each other.
 
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posivol said:
josh got a late offer from the school of his choice...period.
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Here's a quote from Josh himself in May of 2008.

"Out of the schools that have currently offered me, my top eight schools in alphabetical order are ASU, BYU, Florida, Harvard, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Stanford and Tennessee. If I am unable to make my final decision soon, I plan on taking my five official visits to assist me in making my decision. I look forward to doing more research on the schools I've narrowed it down to and continuing the process."
 
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JohnLange said:
So late that it was only about 6 or so months before Nunes has to make a final choice.
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when your dream school calls w/ a offer,what would you do.dont forget he commited to ut w/o even a visit.

no biggie,we will do better than both nunes and boyd eventually.

i dont hate clk or anybody else for that matter.i think eventually he will figure it out and do a good job.

maybe im just impatient.....have a good day and a better tommorow :)
 
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posivol said:
when your dream school calls w/ a offer,what would you do.
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I don't know. I guess he decided to commit to a different team, then watch them get their testicles handed to them by one of their biggest rivals, and then afterwards commit to the dream school.
 
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JohnLange said:
I don't know. I guess he decided to commit to a different team, then watch them get their testicles handed to them by one of their biggest rivals, and then afterwards commit to the dream school.
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well we know the kid is smart by his schools he was looking at.i think the bottom line is he did not see the nfl in his future after he attended qb camp in ca.

i guess plan b kicked in which is to obtain a valuable degree after college.harvard offered but stanford was closer to home.
 
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billbattle said:
I think his opinion bears as much weight as Rivals as far as the ranking of national high schools go: both totally worthless.
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What do you base your opinion on...or is it just a baseless opinion? The FACT is 80% of this board turns back flips when we sign a "Rivals" 5 star recruit! Sure they miss occasionally (Chris Donald) but they are pretty accurate more often than not. Here's a hint; "Rivals" invests tons of time and effort in evaluating HS talent. Based on that fact I trust them more than most services.
 
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PrattvilleVol said:
What do you base your opinion on...or is it just a baseless opinion? The FACT is 80% of this board turns back flips when we sign a "Rivals" 5 star recruit! Sure they miss occasionally (Chris Donald) but they are pretty accurate more often than not. Here's a hint; "Rivals" invests tons of time and effort in evaluating HS talent. Based on that fact I trust them more than most services.
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No matter how much time you invest, it is next to impossible to compare teams in different states or even in different regions of the same state. Here in Tennessee, for instance, a 6-0 MBA team was judged to be one of the top 50 teams in the nation over various other undefeated teams (like my school, Ensworth) that were also undefeated. Why? Most likely because they were defending state champions--in other words, because of what they had done last year. We, as an unranked team, beat them 41-28.

Maryville plays in class 4A, one class under the bigger schools, but was judged to be better (also top 50 in the nation) because of a REALLY long winning streak (the longest in the nation for a few days), though it was against mostly weak competition. Hillsboro beat them in the state championship to finish 13-2, and jumped to #87 in the nation. They are the only team of all the ones mentioned in this post that is in the RivalsHigh 100. Who's to say the 5A champion, Oakland, isn't better? They had only one loss, and beat Franklin in the state championship--the same Franklin that beat Hillsboro earlier in the season. They also played tougher competition in 5A. The same argument almost works for Ensworth, as we were 11-1 and beat the MBA team that beat Hillsboro, but with Ensworth it makes more sense that we are lower as our one loss was in the playoffs, keeping us from the championship game. Still, you get my point--it is almost impossible to rank high school teams from different divisions and different states.
 
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Using an example you would be more familiar with, how do we decide that a 13-1 Prattville team that beat Brentwood Academy 26-0 is #10 in the nation while a 13-0 MUS team that beat the same Brentwood Academy team 38-18 is only #72? Is one-loss Prattville really 62 spots better than an undefeated team that manhandled BA almost exactly the same way? Who knows. But Prattville is more established. As a result, they are ranked much higher. The rankings are often based on perception and history more than anything else. It is almost impossible to really compare. I believe that if MBA went undefeated, they would be sitting at least in the mid-30s. But when less-familiar MUS does it, even though they beat MBA 35-7 before killing BA, they can only get to 72. There is somewhat of a problem there.
 
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VKAman said:
Using an example you would be more familiar with, how do we decide that a 13-1 Prattville team that beat Brentwood Academy 26-0 is #10 in the nation while a 13-0 MUS team that beat the same Brentwood Academy team 38-18 is only #72? Is one-loss Prattville really 62 spots better than an undefeated team that manhandled BA almost exactly the same way? Who knows. But Prattville is more established. As a result, they are ranked much higher. The rankings are often based on perception and history more than anything else. It is almost impossible to really compare. I believe that if MBA went undefeated, they would be sitting at least in the mid-30s. But when less-familiar MUS does it, even though they beat MBA 35-7 before killing BA, they can only get to 72. There is somewhat of a problem there.
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Well lets see...I was at the BA game and besides allowing 0 points to BA...I saw a DT tackle the BA QB and RB both at the same time for a big loss (ive never seen that before at any level). As PHS went through the playoffs; most of the teams including 11-1 Opilieka and 12-0 Auburn were both down 40-0 at half before they throttled back.
 
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PrattvilleVol said:
Well lets see...I was at the BA game and besides allowing 0 points to BA...I saw a DT tackle the BA QB and RB both at the same time for a big loss (ive never seen that before at any level). As PHS went through the playoffs; most of the teams including 11-1 Opilieka and 12-0 Auburn were both down 40-0 at half before they throttled back.
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I've seen that before...including from our team this year...but I have no idea why that play makes Prattville 62 spots better than MUS despite their one loss. MUS took out their starters at or before the half in many games too, the game against 10-1 MBA being one of them.
 
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posivol said:
i would have been happy to see boyd come in and compete w/ the q.b.s we have now.
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If you're Kiffin and you already know that all your effort over the next year or two is going to be bent towards finding, bringing in, and grooming a typical Matt Leinart-type QB -- a big, drop-back guy who guns the ball downfield -- then there's no sense bringing Boyd on campus in the first place. It's a waste of a scholarship; it's a waste of two years of Boyd's life. Plus it's just begging for a nice little QB controversy two years down the road. Yes he could help us this fall, but in the long-term, it's better (and more honorable) to be upfront with Boyd about it to begin with. I know the recruiting nerds don't like it, but this is after all a guy's career that we're talking about.

Kiffin made it pretty clear in his initial press conference that he considers the actual players already on the roster to be largely irrelevant to the program that he's planning to build at UT. It's hardly surprising that he'd be so aggressively indifferent to some of the previous staff's incoming recruits.
 
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PrattvilleVol said:
Well lets see...I was at the BA game and besides allowing 0 points to BA...I saw a DT tackle the BA QB and RB both at the same time for a big loss (ive never seen that before at any level). As PHS went through the playoffs; most of the teams including 11-1 Opilieka and 12-0 Auburn were both down 40-0 at half before they throttled back.
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Chris Donald tackled a RB and QB simultaneously.
 
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You just get them in the middle of a handoff...it's not an easy or common thing to do but I've seen it done multiple times. It's not like either of them (BA's) are big. The RB is about 5'8 and I don't think the QB is much bigger...a big DL could definitely wrap them up.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
If you're Kiffin and you already know that all your effort over the next year or two is going to be bent towards finding, bringing in, and grooming a typical Matt Leinart-type QB -- a big, drop-back guy who guns the ball downfield -- then there's no sense bringing Boyd on campus in the first place. It's a waste of a scholarship; it's a waste of two years of Boyd's life. Plus it's just begging for a nice little QB controversy two years down the road. Yes he could help us this fall, but in the long-term, it's better (and more honorable) to be upfront with Boyd about it to begin with. I know the recruiting nerds don't like it, but this is after all a guy's career that we're talking about.

Kiffin made it pretty clear in his initial press conference that he considers the actual players already on the roster to be largely irrelevant to the program that he's planning to build at UT. It's hardly surprising that he'd be so aggressively indifferent to some of the previous staff's incoming recruits.
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I don't think so unless you think we should give up on the next 2 seasons and expect recruits to come to a low win program.
 
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VKAman said:
You just get them in the middle of a handoff...it's not an easy or common thing to do but I've seen it done multiple times. It's not like either of them (BA's) are big. The RB is about 5'8 and I don't think the QB is much bigger...a big DL could definitely wrap them up.
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Demetric Moore, the DT that wrapped them up is 6'2", 316...not really fair.
 
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Is there not a forum for high school football on VN?

If not, please start one. If so, please use it.

Otherwise, I will be forced to update all of you with my exploits on the golf course. Trust me, you don't want to hear about it...

Go Vols.
 
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PrattvilleVol said:
I don't think so unless you think we should give up on the next 2 seasons and expect recruits to come to a low win program.
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"Irrelevant" was probably an exaggeration, but at his initial press conference, Kiffin said something along the lines of "the guys already on the roster are going to get a chance to show us what they can do this spring, because our newcomers will be here next fall, and they're going to play." It's clear that most of Kiffin's emphasis is going to be on the guys he's bringing in, and not the leftover stiffs from the previous regime.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
"Irrelevant" was probably an exaggeration, but at his initial press conference, Kiffin said something along the lines of "the guys already on the roster are going to get a chance to show us what they can do this spring, because our newcomers will be here next fall, and they're going to play." It's clear that most of Kiffin's emphasis is going to be on the guys he's bringing in, and not the leftover stiffs from the previous regime.
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I heard it just a touch different than you did. What I heard Kiffin say was that spring ball would be very important for the returning players, because the freshmen would get the "first look" in the fall. I agree that Kiffin is focused on "his" players, but I have a hard time with the "leftover stiffs" remark. I think there is a lot of untapped, undeveloped talent on the current roster. If I'm wrong, the next two seasons are going to be tough.

Go Vols.
 
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