In 17 years under Coach Fulmer...

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MurphyVol said:
"In 17 years under Fulmer, the #Vols blew a two possession lead 6 times. Butch Jones' #Vols have blown three in four weeks."

Not trying to start another argument about Phil, just a shocking stat on 2015 season
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I think that's what we get for running Fulmer off in the first place. Eventually the powers that be would have made the change. And had we been behind Fulmer 100% in his last few years, he may have kept us competitive.
 
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governmentmule said:
that is what a great coach is suppose to do,people forget about this team being so young,i know a lot of fans don't like to hear that,but it is true,Chief and CPF would have red shirted Tuttle ,McKenzie Barnett and a lot of other starters ,just because they could

when CBJ gets that kind of depth,is when we will be able to rate him as a SEC coach

the SEC is all about experience and depth,we all know this to be true
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Florida is 5-0, first year coach, 3 freshman on oline, inexperienced qb, young, not much depth. Florida has put all of yours/butchs excuses to rest. The good ole excuse vols.
 
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There are many ups and downs in a coaching career so I never understood why CPF wasn't given the benefit of the doubt. We've been on a decline ever since. Will Rockytop be a desirable place to come when Butch is let go? To be determined.......
 
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90 Vol said:
We can make fun of Fulmer all we want, but I think he could have done as good or better than the cluster!@#$ we've seen in the Kiffin/Dooley/Jones era.
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Absolutely. If they put the screws to him after 08 he would have canned Clawson and got a real OC.

I wasn't a big fan of the way that Phil was treated. I'm 30 years old so I grew up during the Fulmer era and experienced more ups than downs. I mean I was deployed to Iraq and missed the 2005 season so in my time of being a hardcore Vol fan I didn't experience one losing season until 2008.
 
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molsen81 said:
There are many ups and downs in a coaching career so I never understood why CPF wasn't given the benefit of the doubt. We've been on a decline ever since. Will Rockytop be a desirable place to come when Butch is let go? To be determined.......
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Even with all of the winning Fulmer accomplished when he lost a game there were plenty that wanted to fire him. Fire Sanders, Fire Chavis, Fire Cutcliffe, blah blah blah.
 
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BIGORANGEBUBBA said:
In hindsight, I have wondered if it was not so much that Fulmer got lazy as it was other programs caught up.
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Both.

It was Fulmer, Stallings, and SOS in the mid 90's, and that was it. Then Stallings retired and we began our streak against Bama.

Once things changed in the early 2000's, Fulmer was already fat and happy and used Sanders and others as scapegoats, but by then, it too late.
 
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BIGORANGEBUBBA said:
In hindsight, I have wondered if it was not so much that Fulmer got lazy as it was other programs caught up.
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I was looking at Fulmer's records over the years. Really good in hindsight. Like they say, be careful what you ask for. We have been in purgatory ever since.
 
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But would we be in better shape had he stuck around?

The way things were going, the answer is no. Again, it's not the fact that Fulmer was fired, it's how that was done and the decisions made afterward that have put us in this hole.
 
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orangetd88 said:
But would we be in better shape had he stuck around?

The way things were going, the answer is no. Again, it's not the fact that Fulmer was fired, it's how that was done and the decisions made afterward that have put us in this hole.
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But again, that's a guess. On the other hand you could say yes, we'd be in better shape.

1. we were 10 months post SECCG when he was canned. With the recruiting class coming in we could have been right back. Or at least another dreaded 8 win season (which doesn't look that bad now)

2. he could have exited in a better manor which rolled out the carpet for is successor

3. Kiffin wouldn't have been in the picture since he was trying to get a job and would have had one. No Kiffin also means no early departure aka no Dooley


Its all guess really on both sides
 
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GreveHaller said:
But again, that's a guess. On the other hand you could say yes, we'd be in better shape.

1. we were 10 months post SECCG when he was canned. With the recruiting class coming in we could have been right back. Or at least another dreaded 8 win season (which doesn't look that bad now)

2. he could have exited in a better manor which rolled out the carpet for is successor

3. Kiffin wouldn't have been in the picture since he was trying to get a job and would have had one. No Kiffin also means no early departure aka no Dooley


Its all guess really on both sides
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I don't know this for sure, but from what I remember and understand, his relationship with some boosters, as well as AD Hamilton, wasn't the best by the time he was canned. His refusla to make changes when they needed to be made, along with this, was his ultimate demise.

He was just too stubborn. Sound familiar?
 
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orangetd88 said:
I don't know this for sure, but from what I remember and understand, his relationship with some boosters, as well as AD Hamilton, wasn't the best by the time he was canned. His refusla to make changes when they needed to be made, along with this, was his ultimate demise.

He was just too stubborn. Sound familiar?
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Not true. Only Hamilton was aggressively angling for his firing, and pulled the trigger early (Fulmer getting fired for 6 losses when that is all we have done since his firing is at least 6 losses) to avoid a rally. Haslam and others were not pushing for any firing at all. Read Travis' book or ask LWS -- Fulmer's firing was a Hamilton product not a booster product.
 
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orangetd88 said:
But would we be in better shape had he stuck around?

The way things were going, the answer is no. Again, it's not the fact that Fulmer was fired, it's how that was done and the decisions made afterward that have put us in this hole.
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His track record was 9-10 wins on average except the two seasons we had OC issues blossom. He NEVER had bad back-to-back seasons in 17 years at the helm. We were likely heading for a cycle of 2 good years, 1 bad year, which would have been a lot better than 7 bad years in a row.
 
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VegasVol said:
Not true. Only Hamilton was aggressively angling for his firing, and pulled the trigger early (Fulmer getting fired for 6 losses when that is all we have done since his firing is at least 6 losses) to avoid a rally. Haslam and others were not pushing for any firing at all. Read Travis' book or ask LWS -- Fulmer's firing was a Hamilton product not a booster product.
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I have read it, but it's been a long time.

I may misremember it due to everyone, booster included, being unhappy about the results.
 
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It really doesn't matter anyway due to the contract unless the athletic department wants to lose money. Tough times :mad:
 
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