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Even with the likelihood that UT's O stats will improve over the last 5 games due to weaker competition (though based on the USCe game that's not a guarantee)... I thought a '13 to '17 comparison might shed some light on the "improvements" Jones has made:

Total Offense:
2013- 353 ypg
2017 YTD- 290 ypg

UT has to avg about 440 ypg for the last 5 games to match 2012.

Passing:
2013- 165 ypg
2017- 165 ypg

Rushing:
2013- 188 ypg
2017- 125 ypg

Scoring:
2013- 23,8 ppg
2017- 19.6 ppg.

UT has to avg 30 ppg to match 2013... that's 10 FG's per game.


So... five years to basically come full circle at best?
 
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I wonder if it is actually Scott's fault or is Butch that controlling that he will not trust his staff and it is all him?
 
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I think there's some talent on the team that you can see with the eyeball test.

Not as much as some believe, but not close to Dooley levels either.

However, the production is not there. Hard to make a case, when the results don't look any different or are actually worse
 
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I'm not surprised the 2012 rushing numbers are significantly better. That's when we had Juwuan James, Zack Fulton, James Stone, et al. Seasoned veterans who were really good. We have not approached that OL level since
 
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I don't believe an unemployed Mark Helfrich turned down an offer from a SEC school especially an upper tier program like UT. I think Jones was intimidated by his presence and never offered him.
 
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This is the worst Vol team I can remember and I've been watching football here for a lot of decades. It doesn't do a single thing well. Punting was good but Daniel has been rough on that at times lately. Place kicking is a mess. The return game is benched with Berry. The defense can't stop anything. The offense is the worst in the history of the program.
 
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With it being Year 5, with consecutive Top 10 recruiting classes on the roster, and we’re an -6 underdog against UK? Also, we have no SEC wins and haven’t scored an offensive TD in a month.

Just let that sink in for a moment.
 
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sjt18 said:
Even with the likelihood that UT's O stats will improve over the last 5 games due to weaker competition (though based on the USCe game that's not a guarantee)... I thought a '13 to '17 comparison might shed some light on the "improvements" Jones has made:

Total Offense:
2013- 353 ypg
2017 YTD- 290 ypg

UT has to avg about 440 ypg for the last 5 games to match 2012.

Passing:
2013- 165 ypg
2017- 165 ypg

Rushing:
2013- 188 ypg
2017- 125 ypg

Scoring:
2013- 23,8 ppg
2017- 19.6 ppg.

UT has to avg 30 ppg to match 2013... that's 10 FG's per game.


So... five years to basically come full circle at best?
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Those are very telling stats. If Butch does get the remainder of the year, it will be interesting where UT ends up in 2017. Remember 42 points were scored in games one and two (Indiana State). We've scored 53 points in the last five games and no offensive touchdowns in 14 quarters. I really don't expect much improvement if Jones is still coaching these remaining games.
 
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Volinnooga said:
I'm not surprised the 2012 rushing numbers are significantly better. That's when we had Juwuan James, Zack Fulton, James Stone, et al. Seasoned veterans who were really good. We have not approached that OL level since
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You were here I think... Do you remember the pretty open rumors that those guys basically refused to do it Jones' way? Many here even blamed them for not cooperating with Jones. He just "needed time to install his system".
 
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In case anyone was wondering. UT has only gone over 440 yards in one game this year... behind QD vs UF. They've scored over 30 points twice... in the first two games behind QD.

Not JG's fault but he simply isn't ready though Jones has thrown him out there any way.
 
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sjt18 said:
In case anyone was wondering. UT has only gone over 440 yards in one game this year... behind QD vs UF. They've scored over 30 points twice... in the first two games behind QD.

Not JG's fault but he simply isn't ready though Jones has thrown him out there any way.
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I agree he is not ready, the only problem with QD is he turns the ball over so much more that JG. Now I agree that is because JG rarely passes it, but when your offense can't sustain drives as it is, you can't turn the ball over at all. If QD had been playing against UA and had thrown 2-3 INT we could have been beat 70-7.
 
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99gator said:
I think there's some talent on the team that you can see with the eyeball test.

Not as much as some believe, but not close to Dooley levels either.

However, the production is not there. Hard to make a case, when the results don't look any different or are actually worse
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The raw talent is there except at LB and about half the O line. It’s just not being developed worth a dern. The best athlete on the roster has 2 catches for 21 yards. Butch should be fired on that stat alone.
 
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fade route said:
The raw talent is there except at LB and about half the O line. It’s just not being developed worth a dern. The best athlete on the roster has 2 catches for 21 yards. Butch should be fired on that stat alone.
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Its even more telling that the player you're referring to should be our 1# CB. But hey I'm just an armchair QB.
 
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Especially when you are going to keep him on offense and never use him, he would be very valuable as a secondary defender for UT. But just shows more coaching incompetence from Jones and this staff.
 
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We have waited too long. Any advantage in talent and culture that Butch was able to con us into believing in...is gone.

Many said he needed to be let go at the end of last year, while we still had a viable, improved product to sell to a real championship level coach. We have waited too long, and are once again sideshow entertainment in college football. We may indeed get a championship level coach, but whoever it is will have a taller climb than he would have last year.

We've been Doolied again.
 
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99gator said:
I think there's some talent on the team that you can see with the eyeball test.

Not as much as some believe, but not close to Dooley levels either.

However, the production is not there. Hard to make a case, when the results don't look any different or are actually worse
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the case is made for Butch to go...I rest my case...:)

GO VOLS!
 
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JettVol said:
I agree he is not ready, the only problem with QD is he turns the ball over so much more that JG. Now I agree that is because JG rarely passes it, but when your offense can't sustain drives as it is, you can't turn the ball over at all. If QD had been playing against UA and had thrown 2-3 INT we could have been beat 70-7.
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There's no guarantees either way. Without better OL and WR play... it doesn't matter who plays QB vs a team like Bama or RB for that matter.

However, against a less talented opponent like USCe... UT wins handily if Dormady plays and performs as well as he did vs GT and UF.

But again, Jones botched the situation with these QB's so badly that the more prepared guy's confidence is destroyed and the other kid simply isn't ready to play.

I have little doubt that Jones wanted to JG to be the starter and thought he would catch QD. But he also wanted to maintain an image with the team that the guy who earned it would play. So... he was stuck.

A REAL HC would have simply said "JG is my guy. If Quinten decides to transfer I respect that but the future is now. Let's use the next 7 months to get JG ready."
 
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utvolorange said:
I wonder if it is actually Scott's fault or is Butch that controlling that he will not trust his staff and it is all him?
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I just hate the play calls. A mediocre defensive coordinator can call every play UT is about to run. Is it going up the middle, off the tackle, or a screen.

At some point you have to take the tight leash of JG and let him throw it down field. What do we have to lose?
 
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sjt18 said:
There's no guarantees either way. Without better OL and WR play... it doesn't matter who plays QB vs a team like Bama or RB for that matter.

However, against a less talented opponent like USCe... UT wins handily if Dormady plays and performs as well as he did vs GT and UF.

But again, Jones botched the situation with these QB's so badly that the more prepared guy's confidence is destroyed and the other kid simply isn't ready to play.

I have little doubt that Jones wanted to JG to be the starter and thought he would catch QD. But he also wanted to maintain an image with the team that the guy who earned it would play. So... he was stuck.

A REAL HC would have simply said "JG is my guy. If Quinten decides to transfer I respect that but the future is now. Let's use the next 7 months to get JG ready."
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Again though you don't know, QD could have thrown INT's against USCjr and it could have been worse. We will never know the what if's I guess.
 
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