Improbable amounts of bad luck

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overseasorange2 said:
I agree. I have never seen such an unlucky team in all my life. I ve picked my second favorite team to watch now. Tired of waiting. Last time UT was really good I was a middle aged man. Now I qualify for social security. I want to actually enjoy watching a college team in my retirement....
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It's true sadly
 
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Confident players think they can win in difficult times. Players used to failing assume they will fail. That's why winning teams win when they get behind. Eventually the team takes on the personality of their leaders whether coaches or team leaders.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
Fyp.... the Vols have some talent, but nowhere near enough.
How many of these current guys would start on the '95-2001 teams?
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1 person. But that's not only a talent metric. Thats a talent + development (mental and physical) metric.
 
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overseasorange2 said:
I agree. I have never seen such an unlucky team in all my life. I ve picked my second favorite team to watch now. Tired of waiting. Last time UT was really good I was a middle aged man. Now I qualify for social security. I want to actually enjoy watching a college team in my retirement....
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What's even worse is since 2005, we have 1 win over a top 10 team... ONE and California was ranked 10th. You think out of all the times we've played top 10 teams since then, we would've blindly stumbled into an upset victory. Nope.
 
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BleedinOrange98 said:
What's even worse is since 2005, we have 1 win over a top 10 team... ONE and California was ranked 10th. You think out of all the times we've played top 10 teams since then, we would've blindly stumbled into an upset victory. Nope.
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I really didn't need to know this stat. Ignorance is bliss. So, thanks.
 
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glhal2814 said:
I'll add to the inexplicable being easily explained, the onside kick had 4 players going for the ball and no one blocking the only Florida player within 10 yards of the ball. That's not bad luck on the onside kick either. That's terrible execution.
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It's still by definition bad luck. There was an 80% chance of recovering that ball even without touching the Florida player (4/5). And it was an objectively great on-side kick from the kicker. What happened? Still didn't recover it.
 
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BleedinOrange98 said:
It's still by definition bad luck. There was an 80% chance of recovering that ball even without touching the Florida player (4/5). And it was an objectively great on-side kick from the kicker. What happened? Still didn't recover it.
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No, there is a 80% of recovering if each player has the same odds to begin with and the ball is randomly distributed. That's not what happens in an onside kick, particularly this one. 80% isn't the math when you fail to block the guy standing under the ball waiting on it. This wasn't a freak bounce. The play was designed to go there. It did. The Gator player was expected to be there. He was. A Vol player was assigned to block him. He didn't.
 
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BleedinOrange98 said:
It's still by definition bad luck. There was an 80% chance of recovering that ball even without touching the Florida player (4/5). And it was an objectively great on-side kick from the kicker. What happened? Still didn't recover it.
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Like a run or pass play, players have assignments. It wasn't just kick it over there and see who recovers. There was a Tennessee player who's job, and he should have known it prior to the kick, was to block the Florida player that recovered. His job wasn't to run downfield or try to recover the kick. That was someone else's job.
 
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BleedinOrange98 said:
I've been watching football for a long time, and I haven't seen a football team with more strangely consistent bad bounces, bad calls, missed calls, injury bugs, key players leave, and mental "voodoo" than the Vols have endured. Since 2005, every time I think it can't get any worse and we're at rock bottom, we somehow find some new and innovative way to dig beneath the bedrock.

For whatever reason the universe has decided, the Vols cannot get any positive mojo going for more than a few games. And these strokes of horrible luck always seem to come at the worst moments when it looks like we're just about to turn the corner. Then the black cloud swoops in. Obviously some of that is due to talent pool shrinking and poor coaching but I can think of no other team where rules needed to be changed after-the-fact multiple times b/c we got screwed so hard. What other team has had their coach run out in the middle of the night? I guess the worst part for me is that it mostly seems to be self-destructive.

There have been brief respites along the way, but they're always followed by an even darker hole. On Saturday, every time something weird or bad happened, everyone in my group chats would laugh and say "welp, that's just Tennessee"... we've become synonymous with bad luck. Pruitt looked rattled on Saturday b/c he had no way of coping with the string of inexplicable events that occurred that only a true Vol fan can understand.

Anyway, I think I've had enough. It's pretty clear to me the universe, god, powers that be, whatever does not want the Vols to succeed. I don't know what we did to deserve this but I'm moving on. Time to take a step back yada yada family and friends, "wouldn't wanna be in a foxhole with you", insert cliche here. Got it.

Cheers for the vent
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I dont believe in luck. Everything that happens is a result of something.
 
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BleedinOrange98 said:
What's even worse is since 2005, we have 1 win over a top 10 team... ONE and California was ranked 10th. You think out of all the times we've played top 10 teams since then, we would've blindly stumbled into an upset victory. Nope.
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Was just bad luck. Coulda won a bunch of those, but for all that bad luck.
 
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glhal2814 said:
Not this game. Every turnover was self inflicted. Unblocked player, throw to defender in front of own end zone, zero ball security, terrible snap, zero ball security, and forced throw into double coverage. That's the summary of my prior post. That's all on players on the field doing things that result in turnovers.
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I thought the pass that was tipped at the line of scrimmage went straight up and when came down it was right into the D-lineman's hands.
 
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basspond said:
I thought the pass that was tipped at the line of scrimmage went straight up and when came down it was right into the D-lineman's hands.
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No, the ball was thrown as a screen. No one tipped it. The Florida player read it an dropped back to cover the back, and the ball was thrown right to him. Bad play call at that part of the field. Poorly run route. Poorly thrown ball. Just a disaster of a play. About 2:30 off the highlight video.

Note: I was wrong about one detail of Pope's fumble. He runs with the ball to the outside of the defender toward the sideline most of the distance. Then, right as the defender is about to hit him, he lowers his inside shoulder. When he gets hit he is moving the ball towards his body as he lowers his opposite shoulder into the defender. The defender doesn't hit the ball itself ever though. Pope looses it somewhere in that contact and motion as his inside hand knocks it out of his outside hand and through the end zone. If he just keeps the ball to the outside or pulls it towards his chest, no fumble. Still lousy Ball Security, as the defender never hits anything close to the ball. Pope literally knocks it out of one of his hands with his other hand. Looks like an underhanded volleyball serve.

That play is about 6:42 in the Highlight video, fumble sequence starts about 6:48.

 
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glhal2814 said:
No, the ball was thrown as a screen. No one tipped it. The Florida player read it an dropped back to cover the back, and the ball was thrown right to him. Bad play call at that part of the field. Poorly run route. Poorly thrown ball. Just a disaster of a play. About 2:30 off the highlight video.

Note: I was wrong about one detail of Pope's fumble. He runs with the ball to the outside of the defender toward the sideline most of the distance. Then, right as the defender is about to hit him, he lowers his inside shoulder. When he gets hit he is moving the ball towards his body as he lowers his opposite shoulder into the defender. The defender doesn't hit the ball itself ever though. Pope looses it somewhere in that contact and motion as his inside hand knocks it out of his outside hand and through the end zone. If he just keeps the ball to the outside or pulls it towards his chest, no fumble. Still lousy Ball Security, as the defender never hits anything close to the ball. Pope literally knocks it out of one of his hands with his other hand. Looks like an underhanded volleyball serve.

That play is about 6:42 in the Highlight video, fumble sequence starts about 6:48.

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It's the pass at the 1:33 mark where he got creamed on the forward pass. It went right into Florida's hands. It could have hit the ground or been batted down but, that's not our luck.
 
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