Imagine this scenario with Crompton.

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sjt18 said:
You mean like Kelly/Shuler... Shuler/Colquitt... Helton/Manning/Stewart... Manning/Martin... Ainge/Schaeffer... Ainge/Crompton?

Cut didn't sign him or BJ to be back ups. Cut never liked Crompton.
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any quarterback who cut never liked is no quarterback in my book. from what ive heard cut said as long as he was here that crompton would never see the field in his offense, and if he cant make it in cuts offense, i dont see why he should make it in anyones. if we want to win games this year stephens or coleman will be the guy IMO
 
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SmokeandMirrors said:
any quarterback who cut never liked is no quarterback in my book. from what ive heard cut said as long as he was here that crompton would never see the field in his offense, and if he cant make it in cuts offense, i dont see why he should make it in anyones. if we want to win games this year stephens or coleman will be the guy IMO
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kinda odd for a "QB Guru" with the rep he enjoys to say he can't teach one of the top-rated recruits. Seems to me if he was really that good...
 
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#104
It is old news. Many read between the lines with his comments concerning Coleman's future (before Cut gave any indication of leaving UT). There were several reports of them butting heads personally from insiders.

The best evidence was the response of the whole Crompton family whenever Cut left. There were several comments made by JC and his dad that could lead to no other conclusion than Cut disliked JC as a player and quite probably as a person.
 
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utvolpj said:
kinda odd for a "QB Guru" with the rep he enjoys to say he can't teach one of the top-rated recruits. Seems to me if he was really that good...
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not the case, cut says kid is uncoachable, does things his way and is resistant to change. which is exactly why i dont see any way that crompton will have improved from last year, once those lights come on on saturday we are gonna see the same guy throwing it at receivers feet and over their heads. 0% chance he will finish the season as the starter
 
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#106
One thing was that Cut was determined to change Crompton's throwing motion. That move caused JC problems.

As for "0% chance" he'll start... Are you from Chattanooga?

I'll repeat. I like Coleman. I'd prefer Coleman because of the type of kid he seems to be... but realistically this is sounding very much like a competition between JC and NS. BJC will need several performances like Sat to catch up... and he'll need to do it against the 1st string D instead of 2nd.

CLK recruited Crompton and seems to genuinely like him and like his ability.

In short, for better or worse there's a very good chance that he'll start.
 
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sjt18 said:
One thing was that Cut was determined to change Crompton's throwing motion. That move caused JC problems.

As for "0% chance" he'll start... Are you from Chattanooga?

I'll repeat. I like Coleman. I'd prefer Coleman because of the type of kid he seems to be... but realistically this is sounding very much like a competition between JC and NS. BJC will need several performances like Sat to catch up... and he'll need to do it against the 1st string D instead of 2nd.

CLK recruited Crompton and seems to genuinely like him and like his ability.

In short, for better or worse there's a very good chance that he'll start.
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i think he will start at the beginning as well, i just dont think Kiffin will have the patience that our previous staff had with him since Fulmer badly wanted JC to be his guy. thats why i give him the 0% to finish the saeson as the starter

honestly im pulling for nick to be the starter, think hes got the strongest arm and the confidence to go out there and put the ball where it needs to be, but i wouldnt mind seeing BJ get the nod either. honestly anything but crompton i think gives us the best chance to win

nope im from good ole Knoxville, TN yippiekiyae
 
#109
#109
sjt18 said:
Good grief. You have a concrete head, don't you?

One of the two major recruiting services gave him 4* yet in your post responding to that you completely ignored that fact. Instead of saying, "Oh, OK, maybe he was more highly thought of than I originally thought" you began parsing words.

The qualifiying info was only given to explain the obstacles he overcame to get a 5.7 from Rivals and 4* from Scout. He might have been higher had he played as a JR but that does NOT mean he wasn't "highly regarded". There's a range of evaluation involved here... not just high/low. Never did I say he was the "most highly regarded".

Bottom line is you are WRONG. Being the #15 QB on Rivals makes you highly regarded. Being #11 on Scout makes you highly regarded. Getting offers from major programs makes you highly regarded. The only thing you've offered in response is "VKAman says so".
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He was not in the top 20 QBs in the nation. He was not a Parade All-American--which even a Vandy three-star, Charlie Goro, is. He was not an Army All-American. He was not in the Rivals 250. In just about every honor that makes a recruit "highly regarded," he is not present. Make excuses for why he is not there all you want, but the fact remains...he is not there.
 
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#110
VKAman said:
He was not in the top 20 QBs in the nation. He was not a Parade All-American--which even a Vandy three-star, Charlie Goro, is. He was not an Army All-American. He was not in the Rivals 250. In just about every honor that makes a recruit "highly regarded," he is not present. Make excuses for why he is not there all you want, but the fact remains...he is not there.
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Bro,

I do not care if he had half a star...the fact of the matter is Nick was the best qb on the field last year. Yes Clawsons system did not work well in the time that he had to install it in the SEC (doesent mean that it would not work given time). It has been mentioned before..he was not active his Jr year which means rivals and scout dropped him lower in the ranks I believe. Anyone here that has either played football before know what it takes..and to me NS has all the elements..I dont care how many stars they have...case in point look at Hughes...he is a beast and was listed what 3*??? NS checked off receivers, had the footwork, had a perfect deep ball...threw darts to WRs..IMO there is no comparison between NS and Crompton. I would like for Crompton to do well..but the writing is on the wall...I just hope that if CLK pulls Crompton he will do it in the "ole ball coach" style and not look back.
 
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Allvolinnashville said:
Bro,

I do not care if he had half a star...the fact of the matter is Nick was the best qb on the field last year. Yes Clawsons system did not work well in the time that he had to install it in the SEC (doesent mean that it would not work given time). It has been mentioned before..he was not active his Jr year which means rivals and scout dropped him lower in the ranks I believe. Anyone here that has either played football before know what it takes..and to me NS has all the elements..I dont care how many stars they have...case in point look at Hughes...he is a beast and was listed what 3*??? NS checked off receivers, had the footwork, had a perfect deep ball...threw darts to WRs..IMO there is no comparison between NS and Crompton. I would like for Crompton to do well..but the writing is on the wall...I just hope that if CLK pulls Crompton he will do it in the "ole ball coach" style and not look back.
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I agree.
But:
1. We are talking about how he was "regarded" as a recruit, not how good he was last year.
2. We don't use that system or anything like it anymore. Performance last year means absolutely nothing right now.
 
#112
#112
Allvolinnashville said:
Bro,

I do not care if he had half a star...the fact of the matter is Nick was the best qb on the field last year. Yes Clawsons system did not work well in the time that he had to install it in the SEC (doesent mean that it would not work given time). It has been mentioned before..he was not active his Jr year which means rivals and scout dropped him lower in the ranks I believe. Anyone here that has either played football before know what it takes..and to me NS has all the elements..I dont care how many stars they have...case in point look at Hughes...he is a beast and was listed what 3*??? NS checked off receivers, had the footwork, had a perfect deep ball...threw darts to WRs..IMO there is no comparison between NS and Crompton. I would like for Crompton to do well..but the writing is on the wall...I just hope that if CLK pulls Crompton he will do it in the "ole ball coach" style and not look back.
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Crompton is our starter right now...
 
#113
#113
VKAman said:
Crompton is our starter right now...
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IMO that will change..how long do you think it will take CLK to pull him..once he doesnÂ’t lay the ball into a RBs "pocket" like the botched handoff to Foster? I was not a Foster fan but that instance it was all Crompton. The things that Cropmton is having trouble with is fundamentals..checking off receivers, slamming the ball into the pocket..knowing when to throw the ball away if the routes are not there..I am not debating that he was a good qb in High school but this is not HS anymore Dorthy..I do not think that CLK will not ride out JC like Phil did...and once CLK pulls Crompton he is most likely done. I understand that the new coaches are not looking at the past but as fans it is hard not to. I just do not see that big of a turn around in performance. He has to be insecure from last year..and if he gets pulled again he will have zero confidence in himself. Something else that scares me...now JC feels like he has something to prove (such as last year was an anomaly) which might make him more anxious ...meaning pressuring the ball to force a play..just trying to "make" something happens...most of the time that leads to turnovers which I think is JC problem. Sorry for the book in advance...
 
#115
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VKAman said:
He was not in the top 20 QBs in the nation.
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Wrong yet again. You're too easy. Nick Stephens - Football Recruiting

He was not a Parade All-American--which even a Vandy three-star, Charlie Goro, is. He was not an Army All-American.
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You do know that only a hand full of guys are, right? So if that's your criteria for being "highly regarded" then only 3 or 4 schools in the country will get one.
He was not in the Rivals 250.
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So let's see... @27 positions including "athlete" that makes about 10 players on avg that make the Rivals 250. Once again, are you really trying to suggest that only the top 10 players at each position are "highly regarded"?
In just about every honor that makes a recruit "highly regarded," he is not present.
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Simply not true. Now you have descended to attempts to redefine terms just to "win" the argument. You're just wrong.

For all I know he may really, really have no talent at all... but he was highly regarded coming out of HS thus the interest from alot of major schools and offers from several.
Make excuses for why he is not there all you want, but the fact remains...he is not there.
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I don't need to make excuses. He was a good, well though of prospect.... that fact remains.

Maybe this will help.

M Hughes wasn't highly regarded. Virtually no big school recruited him until UT came in at the 11th hour.

When he committed to UT, Jerquari Schofield was not highly regarded... so much so that many here mocked the old staff for offering him.

S Raines was not highly regarded...

Stephens was a QB that several major schools pursued and who the recruiting svcs ranked in the upper 20% or so.
 
#116
#116
why do some of you have these crazy loyalties to crompton? he was terrible last year!! it was obvious that he was not the best man for the job but fulmer had it set in his head the day that he signed that crompton was going to be the heir to ainge's throne.

bottom line is he cant get it done on the field, he just cant. he had his shot last year and he obviously blew it, who cares if he was learning a new system, he was throwing towards the open receivers he just couldnt make the throws because he has a weak arm.

as good as our staff is at evaluating talent, surely they will realize that this guy is a practice only player after the first game at least, i have faith that Kiffin will realize he cant hack it and give stephens the shot that he deserves
 
#117
#117
sjt18 & VKAman.......Put yourselves in time out….you two have a different meaning for the term “highly regarded”….you two aren’t going to agree…..so move on or take it to PM!
 
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#118
#118
VagabondVol said:
Remember Ainge's sophomore year? Simply horrifying. He was raked over the coals many times, just like Crompton has been. Perhaps this staff can do for Cromp what Cut did for Ainge. Perhaps.
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Wow, I haven't ever thought of that possibility, nor have I seen it in every Crompton thread this year.
 
#120
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VKAman said:
Steal, sure. Highly regarded, prized recruit...no. In fact, for someone to be a steal, there is almost a requirement that they NOT be highly regarded. Same is true for Stephens.
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Read this again. And double your estimate of "3 or 4" QBs on the Parade All-America team. There are three-stars on it. Stephens was not one of them.
 
#122
#122
sjt18 said:
So let's see... @27 positions including "athlete" that makes about 10 players on avg that make the Rivals 250. Once again, are you really trying to suggest that only the top 10 players at each position are "highly regarded"?
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14 QBs on there ahead of Stephens. Plenty more not in the Rivals250 who were...still...ahead of Stephens. No.
 
#123
#123
True. ShowMeVol and Apache are right. It's just how you define "highly regarded." I believe that we get plenty of recruits that are Stephens's caliber or better every year. A three-star prospect, according to Rivals, is an "All-Region Selection; considered among the region's top prospects and among the top 750 or so prospects in the country; high-to-mid-major prospect." I believe that Tennessee's starters are better than "high-to-mid major" prospects. I don't think a three star is a recruit that is something special when he is 20th to 25th in the country at his position. I don't believe we should be proud that we recruited a QB as good as Colorado's. That doesn't impress me. It apparently impresses him, because he seems to be more impressed by Stephens than he is by Bryce Brown (who "runs too high.") We have different standards. Oh well. I'll stop.
 
#124
#124
Allvolinnashville said:
Bro,

I do not care if he had half a star...the fact of the matter is Nick was the best qb on the field last year. Yes Clawsons system did not work well in the time that he had to install it in the SEC (doesent mean that it would not work given time). It has been mentioned before..he was not active his Jr year which means rivals and scout dropped him lower in the ranks I believe. Anyone here that has either played football before know what it takes..and to me NS has all the elements..I dont care how many stars they have...case in point look at Hughes...he is a beast and was listed what 3*??? NS checked off receivers, had the footwork, had a perfect deep ball...threw darts to WRs..IMO there is no comparison between NS and Crompton. I would like for Crompton to do well..but the writing is on the wall...I just hope that if CLK pulls Crompton he will do it in the "ole ball coach" style and not look back.
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Agreed. I personally don't see how anyone could think Crompton out performed Stephens last year, if they actually watched the games. I don't have any favorites here, but I clearly think Stephens is the best of the two. As far as stars go, we all know that doesn't matter that much. Stephens was the #15 PS-QB that year and Sam Bradford, last years Heisman trophy winner as a sophomore was only #12. Bradford was also a 3 star with a 5.7 rivals rating just like Stephens.
 
#125
#125
VKAman said:
14 QBs on there ahead of Stephens. Plenty more not in the Rivals250 who were...still...ahead of Stephens. No.
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OK. Whatever you say. Four stars on Scout mean nothing even though their list turned out to be more legit than Rivals for that year. #15 on Rivals means nothing. Offers from major programs mean nothing.

UT just got him because no one else wanted him... :jpshakehead::jpshakehead:
 
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