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#101
#101
bamawriter said:
If it's proven, they were never innocent to begin with. If it's proven, you don't want it to be said that you allowed rapists to play for your team.

It's harsh, but it is what it is.
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True. Butch did the right thing immediately. It still will pain me beyond belief if it's a bunch of bs. Not for my Vols, but for AJ mainly. You never get back your senior year. Thats why I said its a tough situation.

If he is guilty, lock him up and throw the key away. Even in that situation, it pains me for both of em. What a waste of a good situation for both of em. You can't think with your pecker.
 
#103
#103
roddo518 said:
True. Butch did the right thing immediately. It still will pain me beyond belief if it's a bunch of bs. Not for my Vols, but for AJ mainly. You never get back your senior year. Thats why I said its a tough situation.

If he is guilty, lock him up and throw the key away. Even in that situation, it pains me for both of em. What a waste of a good situation for both of em. You can't think with your pecker.
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Agree. If I haven't made it clear, I have the utmost respect for Butch Jones in how he's handled this. He is the antithesis of Fisher and the clowns at FSU.
 
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#104
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roddo518 said:
True. Butch did the right thing immediately. It still will pain me beyond belief if it's a bunch of bs. Not for my Vols, but for AJ mainly. You never get back your senior year. Thats why I said its a tough situation.

If he is guilty, lock him up and throw the key away. Even in that situation, it pains me for both of em. What a waste of a good situation for both of em. You can't think with your pecker.
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Very true and one could make an argument that AJ was at least in the conversation for Defensive POY in SEC.
 
#105
#105
tennesseeduke said:
Okay lets use your line of thinking. They play then it's true, hows that going to look for the coach and UT?

CBJ did this exactly how he's suppose to.

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Tennesseeduke
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I'm not blaming CBJ. In this situation if or when they are proven guilty then you dismiss them from the team and the school and they spend a well deserved vaca in the pin. Up until that point they are innocent and should be treated as such. I'm not just talking about Vols but all Americans. Again JMO
 
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#106
tennesseeduke said:
Okay lets use your line of thinking. They play then it's true, hows that going to look for the coach and UT?

CBJ did this exactly how he's suppose to.

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Tennesseeduke
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We actually have precedent for this. Earlier this year Ray McDonald of the 49ers was accused of domestic violence in the preseason. Despite the PC whirlwind surrounding Ray Rice and the NFL, Harbaugh played McDonald in every game this season because the man was innocent til proven guilty. I believe the 49ers did the right thing and that's how all these situations should be handled.
 
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#107
Elhanan said:
I think people should be allowed to face their accusers regardless of the case.

I also agree with Vols 74. Accusation is an odd thing to get suspended over.
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First off let me say I personally think the right thing was done by suspending them, I also think they were suspended because of the code of conduct policy the University of Tennessee has in place. I really don't think Coach Jones had an option. Just my opinion.
 
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kptvol8 said:
First off let me say I personally think the right thing was done by suspending them, I also think they were suspended because of the code of conduct policy the University of Tennessee has in place. I really don't think Coach Jones had an option. Just my opinion.
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If that's the case, she should be suspended from her team as well until the truth of the matter is resolved. JMO.
 
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#109
#109
bamawriter said:
I doubt that AJ and his family have received the kind of vitriol that the girl and her family have.
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You had walking around sense until this gaffe. Not saying I agreed with what all your positions were but I did see how they were reasonable, until this Hall of Stupid Fame entry of yours.
 
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#110
Remy said:
You had walking around sense until this gaffe. Not saying I agreed with what all your positions were but I did see how they were reasonable, until this Hall of Stupid Fame entry of yours.
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Did I miss AJ or his family getting destroyed on social media? I'm not active on many message boards, but what I've seen on the subject seems more supportive of Johnson than negative toward him. All the media coverage seems to simply be straightforward, with little to no commentary.

So, I assume you have a point, but I'm not really confident in that assumption.
 
#111
#111
GAVol said:
If no charges are filed, this episode will be a distant memory Christmas.
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Maybe for US, but not for ALL of the parties involved.
This Drama and Trama will stay with them for a long time. Some of it may deserved.

You are probably right about the rest of us. We'll go on our Merry way.
 
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#112
Vols_74 said:
We actually have precedent for this. Earlier this year Ray McDonald of the 49ers was accused of domestic violence in the preseason. Despite the PC whirlwind surrounding Ray Rice and the NFL, Harbaugh played McDonald in every game this season because the man was innocent til proven guilty. I believe the 49ers did the right thing and that's how all these situations should be handled.
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He's innocent regarding being arrested. That does not mean there aren't consequences for what has been done in other ways. He deserves the suspension.
 
#113
#113
whobethis16 said:
He's innocent regarding being arrested. That does not mean there aren't consequences for what has been done in other ways. He deserves the suspension.
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I can't argue with you one way or the other.
Coach Jones felt they deservd it, so I have to believe in him.
I don't have enough info to say whether they do or don't.
 
#114
#114
OrangeDog said:
I can't argue with you one way or the other.
Coach Jones felt they deservd it, so I have to believe in him.
I don't have enough info to say whether they do or don't.
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The absolute safest thing to do is to suspend them, much like an employer suspending an employee with pay. If he gets cleared, he's welcome back. If he's not, he never wears A UT jersey again. And rightfully so.
 
#115
#115
whobethis16 said:
The absolute safest thing to do is to suspend them, much like an employer suspending an employee with pay. If he gets cleared, he's welcome back. If he's not, he never wears A UT jersey again. And rightfully so.
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Of course its the SAFEST thing.
Whether or not they deserve it, has yet to be determined.
Its safe to suspend a Police Officer after an incident, but that doesn't say that the officer DESERVED it.
 
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#116
OrangeDog said:
Of course its the SAFEST thing.
Whether or not they deserve it, has yet to be determined.
Its safe to suspend a Police Officer after an incident, but that doesn't say that the officer DESERVED it.
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Minus a football game, which is meaningless in situations like this, you have nothing to gain and everything to lose playing a guy who's accused of this.
 
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#117
whobethis16 said:
Minus a football game, which is meaningless in situations like this, you have nothing to gain and everything to lose playing a guy who's accused of this.
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EXACTLY... except that still doesn't say that those 2 guys DESERVED it.

It seems that you are thinking about the Vols, which is what a Coach and Administration have to do, but you are leaving those 2 players out of the equation. The powers that be may have had no choice, but we STILL CAN'T say that they DESERVE it until more information is made available to those of us outside of the LOOP. Maybe they do deserve it, maybe they don't deserve it. At this point I don't agree with you when you said they Deserved it.
 
#118
#118
OrangeDog said:
EXACTLY... except that still doesn't say that those 2 guys DESERVED it.

It seems that you are thinking about the Vols, which is what a Coach and Administration have to do, but you are leaving those 2 players out of the equation. The powers that be may have had no choice, but we STILL CAN'T say that they DESERVE it until more information is made available to those of us outside of the LOOP. Maybe they do deserve it, maybe they don't deserve it. At this point I don't agree with you when you said they Deserved it.
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Unfair or not, the simply fact is this:

It's better to bench two men who deserve to be on the field than it is to play two men who deserve to be in prison.
 
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#119
#119
TNnative said:
Once upon a time in America, the accused was presumed innocent until proven guilty.Then came the court of public opinion.
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The verdict is reached quickly and is never fully reversed even if the accused is proven innocent. Front page news when they are accused, they're lucky for if to be a back page story when they are exonerated.

The truth is it's easier to release the accused name because who gives a damn if they're dragged through the mud and destroyed. On the other hand if the authorities and media without the name and someone else is assaulted/raped etc then the public goes insane.
 
#120
#120
kptvol8 said:
First off let me say I personally think the right thing was done by suspending them, I also think they were suspended because of the code of conduct policy the University of Tennessee has in place. I really don't think Coach Jones had an option. Just my opinion.
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What code of conduct policy did AJ violate? Having sex? Partying? I am sure there are other people on the team having sex. I am sure there are other people on the team that were at the party. He was accused of something that may or may not be true. To suspend him for that is wrong in my opinion.
 
#121
#121
titansvolsfaninga said:
What code of conduct policy did AJ violate? Having sex? Partying? I am sure there are other people on the team having sex. I am sure there are other people on the team that were at the party. He was accused of something that may or may not be true. To suspend him for that is wrong in my opinion.
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Were these other people accused? No? Then they don't need to be suspended. If ANYONE on that campus is accused of sexual assault, they deserve to be suspended.
 
#123
#123
titansvolsfaninga said:
Guilty until innocent? Gotcha
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They've not been arrested. That only applies in the law. It does not protect you from private institutions and their policies. What's so hard to understand about that?

Exactly the same as freedom of speech. If I'm wearing my work clothes with my employer's name on it, go on the news and spew racist remarks, my employer can fire me, despite my freedom of speech.
 
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#124
whobethis16 said:
They've not been arrested. That only applies in the law. It does not protect you from private institutions and their policies. What's so hard to understand about that?
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So basically you are saying, hypothetically of course; that if every player of our team were to be accused of rape and suspended, you would be ok with that? There has to be some due process. I could understand if they both were arrested, but they were accused.
 
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