I'm surprised it took this long...

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I'm sure sue happy lawyers were making a bee line to the track before Stewart pulled into Victory Lane after the race.
 
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Wait, so fans should go to the race with the expectation they could catch a tire to their dome?

OK.
 
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This won't get to the point in court where a judgement will have to be rendered. All liable parties will reach a settlement with the victims to avoid the bad publicity, and the victims will get what is deserved, and rightfully so.
 
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Orangesmokey said:
Not that they should expect it but should go into the track with the understanding that it is possible.
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No, the drivers go into the race with the understanding that it's possible. The fans should not. Every single one of them said as much on Saturday.

Nobody should go to any sporting event anywhere with the understanding that it is possible they can be killed in the course of action at that event. That's utterly ridiculous.
 
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doozer said:
Nobody should go to any sporting event anywhere with the understanding that it is possible they can be killed in the course of action at that event. That's utterly ridiculous.
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Every person that has ever been to a baseball games risks that. Hell a first base coach was killed not but a few years ago after getting dotted in the dome with a foul ball. That could absolutely happen to a fan in the seats as well.

If you go to a baseball game and don't realize that taking a line shot to the dome can be deadly that is your problem.
 
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VOLinthaATL said:
Every person that has ever been to a baseball games risks that. Hell a first base coach was killed not but a few years ago after getting dotted in the dome with a foul ball. That could absolutely happen to a fan in the seats as well.

If you go to a baseball game and don't realize that taking a line shot to the dome can be deadly that is your problem.
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Terrible example. A coach, like a driver, is in the field if play. They know the risk when they sign up.

A fan, however is not. If a fan got killed at a baseball game for eating a line drive, the responsibility is on the team, stadium, or the league to enact measures to protect the fan.
 
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doozer said:
Terrible example. A coach, like a driver, is in the field if play. They know the risk when they sign up.

A fan, however is not. If a fan got killed at a baseball game for eating a line drive, the responsibility is on the team, stadium, or the league to enact measures to protect the fan.
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My use of the coach was to lead into my saying that it could easily happen to a fan. I assume you've been to MLB games? In every stadium across the country they will come over the loudspeaker prior to the games and announce that the teams and the MLB are not responsible for bats and balls going into the stands. You assume the responsibility to protect yourself when you purchase your ticket.

It's a very fair comparison actually.
 
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doozer said:
Wait, so fans should go to the race with the expectation they could catch a tire to their dome?

OK.
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I will put a note in my diary that we have agreed on something.





Also, I love the feigned outrage by folks here. If you were in a hospital bed and a lawyer tells you that you have a good shot at getting millions for your injury, I would love to see you all say no.
 
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VOLinthaATL said:
My use of the coach was to lead into my saying that it could easily happen to a fan. I assume you've been to MLB games? In every stadium across the country they will come over the loudspeaker prior to the games and announce that the teams and the MLB are not responsible for bats and balls going into the stands. You assume the responsibility to protect yourself when you purchase your ticket.

It's a very fair comparison actually.
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Well, since that's the case, let's just remove the netting behind home plate. And, while we're at it, let's remove the netting behind the goals in all hockey rinks, since you know, the venue bears no responsibility in protecting the fans from the action.

I don't honestly think you believe what you are arguing, but merely playing devils advocate. That's fine.
 
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doozer said:
Well, since that's the case, let's just remove the netting behind home plate. And, while we're at it, let's remove the netting behind the goals in all hockey rinks, since you know, the venue bears no responsibility in protecting the fans from the action.

I don't honestly think you believe what you are arguing, but merely playing devils advocate. That's fine.
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Dude, they're not my rules and you know damn well what I'm talking about in regards to going to MLB games. Every freakin team and stadium in the big leagues removes themselves from liability from foul balls injuring fans before every game. It's a fact. I'm not asking you to like it or agree!

And good call on the devil's advocate thing be cause you are correct and my reason for that is you said "nobody goes to any sporting events with the understanding that they could be killed," which I believe is correct but I was pointing out that sitting directly behind the dugout at any game you subject yourself to being drilled with a foul ball. I know you understand that...
 
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VOLinthaATL said:
Dude, they're not my rules and you know damn well what I'm talking about in regards to going to MLB games. Every freakin team and stadium in the big leagues removes themselves from liability from foul balls injuring fans before every game. It's a fact. I'm not asking you to like it or agree!

And good call on the devil's advocate thing be cause you are correct and my reason for that is you said "nobody goes to any sporting events with the understanding that they could be killed," which I believe is correct but I was pointing out that sitting directly behind the dugout at any game you subject yourself to being drilled with a foul ball. I know you understand that...
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If they remove their liability, why are there nets up behind home plate?
 
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doozer said:
No, the drivers go into the race with the understanding that it's possible. The fans should not. Every single one of them said as much on Saturday.

Nobody should go to any sporting event anywhere with the understanding that it is possible they can be killed in the course of action at that event. That's utterly ridiculous.
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Your OP said expect. So that is what I was basing my post off of.
 
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VOLinthaATL said:
I assume you've been to MLB games? In every stadium across the country they will come over the loudspeaker prior to the games and announce that the teams and the MLB are not responsible for bats and balls going into the stands. You assume the responsibility to protect yourself when you purchase your ticket.
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They can announce
whatever they want. Doesn't mean that a jury will agree with them.
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doozer said:
It doesn't make a difference whether there is an expectation it can happen or an understanding that it is possible.
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I disagree. I have been to the past four Indy 500 and we sit three rows from the track. I do not expect a car to come through the catch fence but I understand that it's possible that it might happen. If it did happen, it wouldn't make me blame the track for it happening. They have taken all the measures they can to try and keep it from happening. Besides making the cars so slow it wouldn't even be fun watching. Unfortnately bad things happen sometimes. I hate that people in the stands got hurt but I don't think they should sue. JMO.
 
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MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
They can announce
whatever they want. Doesn't mean that a jury will agree with them.
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It would never even get to a jury because no lawyer would have any room to stand on because they make it very clear.

Thanks for playing.

Next...
 
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Enter at Your Own Risk

"Owners and operators of sporting venues and events are well aware of the risk of injury to spectators. It's the law of averages. With all the foul balls and hockey pucks that fly into the stands, someone is bound to be hit sooner or later.

In order to avoid liability, tickets to sporting events often contain warnings advising spectators that the facility won't be responsible if a spectator is injured at the sporting event. In addition, warning signs are generally posted and the announcer usually reminds the fans to be aware of wayward balls.

A spectator who attends a sporting event, whether it's a major league baseball game or a child's lacrosse game, is presumed to know there is a risk of being hit by a flying object. So, when you take that chance, you are waiving your right to sue for any injuries that result.

This waiver is based on the legal doctrine known as assumption of risk, and most courts will dismiss a personal injury lawsuit seeking damages for injuries sustained at a sporting event. "

Spectator Sports: Personal Injury Risks and Rights - Lawyers.com

Anyone else want to tell me I'm wrong?

Again, they're not my rules.

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