I'm Really Concerned About Mike Hamilton

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Rasputin_Vol said:
LSU only became a hot job recently... mainly due to Saban. 10 years ago, you wouldn't have seen LSU mentioned as a hotter job than Tenn based on recruiting or facilities. If it was such a hot job, you would've thought they would have found a better candidate than Les Miles...

LSU is a hot job "for the moment", but Tennessee has tradition, facilities, great location (mountains and rivers), and a supportive fanbase that isn't too rabid that we demand coaching changes every other season. 2 coaches in 30 years... I say all of that easily put Tennessee in the top 10.
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I never said UT wasn't a top ten job I said it wasn't top 5. I don't care if LSU wasn't a "hot job" 10 years ago...it would be now. We are not talking about replacing coaches or hot jobs 10 years ago, we are talking about now.
 
#52
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holdemvol said:
I never said UT wasn't a top ten job I said it wasn't top 5. I don't care if LSU wasn't a "hot job" 10 years ago...it would be now. We are not talking about replacing coaches or hot jobs 10 years ago, we are talking about now.
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And right now, Tennessee would be a top 10 job. If you were to look at job opening that may be available at the end of the season, it would be top 5 if you consider Michigan, Tennessee, PSU, FSU, and Tx A&M as possible opening this coming offseason.

That's all I'm saying...
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
And right now, Tennessee would be a top 10 job. If you were to look at job opening that may be available at the end of the season, it would be top 5 if you consider Michigan, Tennessee, PSU, FSU, and Tx A&M as possible opening this coming offseason.

That's all I'm saying...
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And if you go back about 8 posts before yours you will see that I said if you are only considering jobs that will be open at season's end UT would be in the top 3. Top 5 overall...no, top 5 open jobs...yes.
 
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My issue with the Hamilton/Fulmer situation is this. In other sports Hamilton has displayed an impatience with coaches who do acheive or maintain a level of excellence in their programs. Fulmer seems to be an exception to the rule.

Excuses reign supreme across the board when it comes to this football program. Even now, I am convinced that Fulmer has a win quota to reach in order to stay employed, but if the details that I have about that quota are correct, it is still a pretty mediocre measuring stick.

Like several UT fans, I am simply tired of the excuses. I would give nearly anything for Hamphil to come out and say "We are not where we want to be, and have every reason to expect to be there. This job and this program should be on par to compete with any team in the country. There is simply no reason why we should not meet that expectation."

I don't want to hear about "the reality" of the situation, or about how other talking heads/pundits view the UT job. I want to hear Hamilton sell it. I want to hear him say that any coach in the country would be out of their mind not to consider coaching at the University of Tennessee. Let the public speculate as to the national standing of the job and the program, but Hamphil should do everything in his power to make it look like the most incredible job in the universe.
 
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holdemvol said:
And if you go back about 8 posts before yours you will see that I said if you are only considering jobs that will be open at season's end UT would be in the top 3. Top 5 overall...no, top 5 open jobs...yes.
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Yeah, I saw that, just kind of got a little defensive when you made the comment about not concerned about hot jobs 10 years ago, but hot jobs right now. Obviously, I realize that LSU is a hot job right now, but as I said before, that only became a hot job recently (mainly through Saban's success there).

We are both on the same page saying the samething, just seems like you are being a little confrontational for some reason when we essentially agree. :ermm:
 
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Lexvol said:
I don't want to hear about "the reality" of the situation, or about how other talking heads/pundits view the UT job. I want to hear Hamilton sell it. I want to hear him say that any coach in the country would be out of their mind not to consider coaching at the University of Tennessee. Let the public speculate as to the national standing of the job and the program, but Hamphil should do everything in his power to make it look like the most incredible job in the universe.
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I understand that sentiment. But at this point, I will give Hamilton the benefit of the doubt (for now). If he comes out and says that a coach would be a fool not to want to come here (or some variant of that), then he would essentially be throwing Fulmer under the bus because that would in essence be selling a job that is not currently vacant (Fulmer is still our coach).

I understand the desire for him to sell the university and the program... I get that. But now is not the time to do it. He has to play politics for a while. He can't go out and actively sell a job that isn't vacant. At the end of the season, however, I would expect (or hope) that he changes his tune...
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I understand that sentiment. But at this point, I will give Hamilton the benefit of the doubt (for now). If he comes out and says that a coach would be a fool not to want to come here (or some variant of that), then he would essentially be throwing Fulmer under the bus because that would in essence be selling a job that is not currently vacant (Fulmer is still our coach).

I understand the desire for him to sell the university and the program... I get that. But now is not the time to do it. He has to play politics for a while. He can't go out and actively sell a job that isn't vacant. At the end of the season, however, I would expect (or hope) that he changes his tune...
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I completely understand. However, to hear him come out and relay what he has heard about how hard the job is, it appears that he is just laying down a trail of excuses. I am tired of all the excuses. He should still promote the job, even in the context of CPF. Instead of measuring what others may think of it, he should just say Phil and I think it is the best job in the country.
 
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Lexvol said:
I completely understand. However, to hear him come out and relay what he has heard about how hard the job is, it appears that he is just laying down a trail of excuses. I am tired of all the excuses. He should still promote the job, even in the context of CPF. Instead of measuring what others may think of it, he should just say Phil and I think it is the best job in the country.
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I'm givin' the Guv a harumph.
 
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Wasn't it Hamilton who said that the standard that UT football will be measured by is championships? Wasn't it Hamilton who said the expectation at UT will be 2 SEC championships every 10 years?

Well, unless Fulmer performs a miracle this year, he'll only have 1 championship in his past 10 seasons...and he'll be 0 for 9 over his past 9 seasons.

So, if Hamilton doesn't replace Fulmer at the end of the year, he's telling Tennessee fans that he's lowering the standards that he promised to measure the program by. Instead of 2 championships in 10 years, it'll be 2 for every 11...then 2 for every 12...

If Hamilton is prepared to defend Fulmer's performance, and explain to Tennessee fans that he's lowering the standards of success that he told us to expect, then he may be jeopardizing his career as the AD at UT.
 
#61
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Hamilton puts too much value on what other footbll analysts tell himabout the UT job. These same analysts would have said the USF job isnt very good either.

Plus he wants to protect Fulmer, and give him an opportunity to retire.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Yeah, I saw that, just kind of got a little defensive when you made the comment about not concerned about hot jobs 10 years ago, but hot jobs right now. Obviously, I realize that LSU is a hot job right now, but as I said before, that only became a hot job recently (mainly through Saban's success there).

We are both on the same page saying the samething, just seems like you are being a little confrontational for some reason when we essentially agree. :ermm:
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I just didn't think the attractiveness of the LSU job 10 years ago was relevant to the discussion....plus I get a little testy on gameday.
 
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Jaytrain5 said:
Wasn't it Hamilton who said that the standard that UT football will be measured by is championships? Wasn't it Hamilton who said the expectation at UT will be 2 SEC championships every 10 years?

Well, unless Fulmer performs a miracle this year, he'll only have 1 championship in his past 10 seasons...and he'll be 0 for 9 over his past 9 seasons.

So, if Hamilton doesn't replace Fulmer at the end of the year, he's telling Tennessee fans that he's lowering the standards that he promised to measure the program by. Instead of 2 championships in 10 years, it'll be 2 for every 11...then 2 for every 12...

If Hamilton is prepared to defend Fulmer's performance, and explain to Tennessee fans that he's lowering the standards of success that he told us to expect, then he may be jeopardizing his career as the AD at UT.
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I agree, but I am not going to pass judgement until we see what MH does after the season.
 
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Bruce Pearl hire was brilliant. Raleigh not so much but lets give it time. I gonna reserve judgement until I see how he handle's Fulmer/football program.
 
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oklavol said:
Bruce Pearl hire was brilliant. Raleigh not so much but lets give it time. I gonna reserve judgement until I see how he handle's Fulmer/football program.
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what do you have against Raleigh? All things so far seem to be good. And anything to get rid of Delmonico is a good idea. Maybe we'll actually have pitchers left at the end of the season.
 
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oklavol said:
Bruce Pearl hire was brilliant. Raleigh not so much but lets give it time. I gonna reserve judgement until I see how he handle's Fulmer/football program.
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There were plenty of people that thought the Bruce Pearl hire was a bad one until after his first season. Give Raleigh a chance.
 
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