I'm Really Concerned About Mike Hamilton

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rexvol said:
please do not forget that it's mike hamilton's job to represent the university and he dropped the ball in a big way.
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I think too much is being made about that comment. And really, that goes to the essence of my point. Fulmer needs to go this offseason. We are already at the point where we are cynical and parsing the words of Cutcliffe or Fulmer or Hamilton whenever they say anything... every word/sentence is being placed under the microscope and examined. We don't need to be going through the offseason with that environment (while we have new QB's fighting for jobs, while we are trying to sign recruits in Feb, summer 2 a days).

Fulmer has to go for the sake of the program at the end of the season.
 
#27
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rexvol said:
alot of you guys are overlooking the fact that he is Phil's guy...for all intents phil put mike in that job. now ask me again why everybody got raises after last year.
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They had progress from the year before. Have you never had an incentive to do your job better?? Notice that Hamilton has already said that he won't extend any assistant past 08'??
 
#28
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rexvol said:
alot of you guys are overlooking the fact that he is Phil's guy...for all intents phil put mike in that job. now ask me again why everybody got raises after last year.
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they were also given ultimatums to win an SEC title by the end of next year. And according to some unpublished reports, they've been stricter ultimatums to survive through this year.
 
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volfanbill said:
they were also given ultimatums to win an SEC title by the end of next year. And according to some unpublished reports, they've been stricter ultimatums to survive through this year.
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Exactly. If Fulmer loses tonight and to KY at the end of the season, he's done. Then Hamilton's job will become the most stressful it has even been in his search for a new coach.
 
#30
#30
rexvol said:
alot of you guys are overlooking the fact that he is Phil's guy...for all intents phil put mike in that job. now ask me again why everybody got raises after last year.
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I know that... I know that, and I've been critical of that decision. But I'm not going to make a final judgement on Hamilton until December. If he doesn't fire Fulmer within a week after the SEC championship game, then I will be right on board with you to say that Hamilton needs to at the very least, be put on notice.
 
#31
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But even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes.
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well, he found a nut that sold out all the season tickets.

It's a move that has to be made at the end of the season, not now.
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that is true, because every interested person out there, of this job, is following, closely, how MH handles this situation. he is showing that a coach is treated with dignity at UT. that matters... he also made the "write his on end" statement. that, i believe, was his way of telling us fans that this matter is being dealt with.
 
#32
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volfanbill said:
You can't bail on a coach after one bad season. Even I don't hate Fulmer that much. I'm not going to think any different tonight, next Saturday, the Saturday after that, the Saturday after that, or after the final Saturday of the regular season.

If, and ONLY IF, I sit in Neyland Stadium for the Orange and White game with Fulmer on the sidelines, I might think differently. You can't throw the team under the bus right now. It's a move that has to be made at the end of the season, not now. Hamilton has to play the PC card and get through the season and then make his decision as to what is best for the program.
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Hey man if your happy with 8-4 then go hit your phil bobble head and crank up rocky top.
 
#33
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I know that... I know that, and I've been critical of that decision. But I'm not going to make a final judgement on Hamilton until December. If he doesn't fire Fulmer within a week after the SEC championship game, then I will be right on board with you to say that Hamilton needs to at the very least, be put on notice.
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I still think that's stretching it just a bit. Why would he be even remotely put on notice when he has rescued our Men's B-Ball team out of the toliet by hiring "THE RIGHT COACH"?? Hamilton will do his job when the time comes, stop worrying.
 
#34
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Cartervol said:
Hey man if your happy with 8-4 then go hit your phil bobble head and crank up rocky top.
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shows how extremely little you know. I've been one of the biggest fire phil advocates on this board because I'm not happy with 8-4. I'm so sick of that excuse. Learn before you post. Just give Hamilton his chance.
 
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orange parmejohn said:
well, he found a nut that sold out all the season tickets.


that is true, because every interested person out there, of this job, is following, closely, how MH handles this situation. he is showing that a coach is treated with dignity at UT. that matters... he also made the "write his on end" statement. that, i believe, was his way of telling us fans that this matter is being dealt with.
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i think you just took away the title of "voice of reason" from rexy
 
#36
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
I think he did that to shut us up somewhat. We are so ready to throw people under the bus, the fanbase sometimes makes the job look worse than it really is. UT is a Top 5 job if there is an available opening.
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Top 5 is a stretch. Florida, LSU, SoCal, Oklahoma, and Texas are all better jobs. IMO UT is more in line with GA, Michigan, Miami and Alabama. I might even put FSU ahead of UT based on in state talent. UT has great facilities, but the lack of in state talent knocks the appeal of the job down a tad.
 
#37
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volfanbill said:
shows how extremely little you know. I've been one of the biggest fire phil advocates on this board because I'm not happy with 8-4. I'm so sick of that excuse. Learn before you post. Just give Hamilton his chance.
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Yeah bill i know little of you and i'am begining to forget what i learned already.
 
#38
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holdemvol said:
Top 5 is a stretch. Florida, LSU, SoCal, Oklahoma, and Texas are all better jobs. IMO UT is more in line with GA, Michigan, Miami and Alabama. I might even put FSU ahead of UT based on in state talent. UT has great facilities, but the lack of in state talent knocks the appeal of the job down a tad.
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Tradition, fanbase, being Top 10 all-time in winning pct, and playing the hardest division in college football are all reasons the UT job would be a Top 5 if not 3 job.
 
#39
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One thing that seems to be lost in this discussion is the fact that while Hamilton is the AD, we all know there are boosters and board members who contribute millions of dollars to the program who also have some influence on if and when Phil goes. MH will make the final call, but let's not act like there are not other influences. As far as MH's comments about how desireable the job is, I think he was dead on. Obviously he should not have made his thoughts public for the health of the program, but I guess it's too late now.
 
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#40
i think you just took away the title of "voice of reason" from rexy
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no way, my friend! i just love Bruce Pearl, but i flip-flop daily on the MH debate. in a couple hours, i might be on here calling for his head!:pardon:
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Tradition, fanbase, being Top 10 all-time in winning pct, and playing the hardest division in college football are all reasons the UT job would be a Top 5 if not 3 job.
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So you would rank the UT job ahead of FLA, USC, LSU, Texas and Oklahoma? Ask any non UT fan and I am sure they would beg to differ.
 
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volfanbill said:
you're insane. You can't bail on a coach after one bad season. Even I don't hate Fulmer that much. I'm not going to think any different tonight, next Saturday, the Saturday after that, the Saturday after that, or after the final Saturday of the regular season.

If, and ONLY IF, I sit in Neyland Stadium for the Orange and White game with Fulmer on the sidelines, I might think differently. You can't throw the team under the bus right now. It's a move that has to be made at the end of the season, not now. Hamilton has to play the PC card and get through the season and then make his decision as to what is best for the program.
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That was 5 or 6 years not referring to the 5 and 6 year.
 
#43
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holdemvol said:
So you would rank the UT job ahead of FLA, USC, LSU, Texas and Oklahoma? Ask any non UT fan and I am sure they would beg to differ.
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None of those jobs will be up for grabs at the end of the season with the exception of maybe the other UT, and that's a stretch. Got to remember, when your ranking a job you have to assume it would be open and none of those will be. So when we have an opening it will be a Top 5 job to fill if not Top 3 like I said previously.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
None of those jobs will be up for grabs at the end of the season with the exception of maybe the other UT. Got to remember, when your ranking a job you have to assume it would be open and none of those will be. So when we have an opening it will be a Top 5 job to fill if not Top 3 like I said previously.
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My mistake, I thought you were ranking UT top 5 overall not just open jobs at the end of the season. That being the case, UT would in fact be one of the top three OPEN jobs at the end of the year.
 
#45
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six years ago we were a play away from playing in the national title game. 3 years ago we were coming off back to back 10 win seasons.

Not exactly the resume to fire a coach over. Not even at USC, Notre Dame, Bama or Florida.
 
#46
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volfanbill said:
six years ago we were a play away from playing in the national title game. 3 years ago we were coming off back to back 10 win seasons.

Not exactly the resume to fire a coach over. Not even at USC, Notre Dame, Bama or Florida.
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ND, Bama, and Florida would have done it as well.
 
#47
#47
volfanbill said:
six years ago we were a play away from playing in the national title game. 3 years ago we were coming off back to back 10 win seasons.

Not exactly the resume to fire a coach over. Not even at USC, Notre Dame, Bama or Florida.
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That is exactly why I have such a hard time deciding what I think should happen with Fulmer. We are not where we should be but every few years he does just enough to make you think they are heading back in the right direction. I can only imagine how hard that decision is for MH when he also has to consider the $7 million plus it would take to buy out Fulmer and his assistants.
 
#48
#48
ND, Bama, and Florida would not have fired a national title winning coach coming off back to back 10 win seasons. You know that is crap TVA...
 
#49
#49
holdemvol said:
My mistake, I thought you were ranking UT top 5 overall not just open jobs at the end of the season. That being the case, UT would in fact be one of the top three OPEN jobs at the end of the year.
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LSU only became a hot job recently... mainly due to Saban. 10 years ago, you wouldn't have seen LSU mentioned as a hotter job than Tenn based on recruiting or facilities. If it was such a hot job, you would've thought they would have found a better candidate than Les Miles...

LSU is a hot job "for the moment", but Tennessee has tradition, facilities, great location (mountains and rivers), and a supportive fanbase that isn't too rabid that we demand coaching changes every other season. 2 coaches in 30 years... I say all of that easily put Tennessee in the top 10.
 
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