If you're not listening to the Swain Event, you're missing out.

[CINCYVOL]

The same Fulmer who let Arian Foster give it to him on the sidelines?
The same Fulmer who had a laughing Josh Briscoe on national TV as they're getting their butts kicked?
Yeah, I don't understand either.

Or was it the same Fulmer that won a NC? Orchestrated the Decade of Dominance? Or the head coach that other high profile coaches called "the closer" on the recruiting trail?

I think Phillip Fulmer is a pretty accomplished dude, and one of the top three coaches that this school has ever had.
PS I'm still a big fan of Johnny F'n Majors as well.

 

[sjt18]

How are these guys problems?

Someone quoted Swain earlier saying that there were a group of Juniors who were problem attitudes on the team. I just listed all the scholarship Jrs on the roster. It is kind of scary if that is a "big" group considering how many of these guys are in the two deep rotation.

 

[DaddyChad]

This program is screwed

What’s changed over the last ten years?

 

[hog88]

104.5 the zone midday show speculating on air about fans calling for Fulmer to take over next week should Vols lose to BYU.

Well they are idiots.

 

[Behr]

104.5 the zone midday show speculating on air about fans calling for Fulmer to take over next week should Vols lose to BYU.

That's friggin stupid on more than one level. But that's why I asked earlier. If Fulmer and or anyone else thinks he could straighten this out (which I'm not saying I think he can or cannot) then why in the f can't he just tell Pruitt how to and help him do it?

I don't think Fulmer is going to take over the position, but if he does, I won't take this program even partially serious and just kick back with my popcorn and watch the show.

Its ridiculous to even suggest.

 

[TNnative]

Neither is continuing to b!tch about it nonstop.

Not a concern. By now, they have all heard every negative axiom laid upon Tennessee. And if their family's favorite power 5 team lost to Georgia State? They would expect continual b!tching for at least a month. It's only been 5 days.

 

[sjt18]

You're better off with 75 players motivated and committed than with 85 players with 10 cancers on the team. Running a few off would have set the standard for the others. 5 or 6 malcontents will spread to 15-20 before you know it. I think thats where it is now.

I don't entirely disagree. I just understand both sides of it. It is a balance of risks. I think my tendency would be to go your way. Take the short term hit so that when you bring new blood in... the poison doesn't spread before they even have a chance.

You can also make a statement and sometimes others will be shaken up. Maybe... just maybe Jordan hits close enough to home for some of these guys that they come to a point of deciding they're either in line or out.

I was once warned that if I fired a guy he would take half our business with him. He had a habit of just stirring crap all the time. He treated some customers better than others... especially if they were female. He was dishonest in a number of different ways. Very subtle actions and he had made a 10 year career at deflecting blame onto others but after getting enough reports, complaints, observations, and incidents I counseled him and ultimately shocked everyone by firing him. I had some fence sitters before him. Most got on board with the new expectations. Some quit. I still had to fire a few more. But no one who was left doubted whether bad attitudes or behavior would have a place on our team.

PS- We didn't lose any customers and had a few come back after he had hacked them off.

 

[82_VOL_83]

I agree CJP inherited a mess but that does not mean he gets a pass for the worst loss UT has ever suffered & arguably the worst in CFB history. Horrible play calling, bad in game management, treating the game like a scrimmage, no emotion or sense of urgency etc. is all on him. Just about any HS coach in East Tn could have devised a game plan good enough even with our deficiencies to beat GA ST. So, some judgment needs to be passed down on him for the GA ST disaster.

overstate much?

 

[EODVOL]

I hurts to say it but I’d rather play the walk on at least they have some fight in them

Also, the walk-ons won't feel entitled and feel like they were playing for something. Not to mention most walk-ons want to be there.

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

That's friggin stupid on more than one level. But that's why I asked earlier. If Fulmer and or anyone else thinks he could straighten this out (which I'm not saying I think he can or cannot) then why in the f can't he just tell Pruitt how to and help him do it?

I don't think Fulmer is going to take over the position, but if he does, I won't take this program even partially serious and just kick back with my popcorn and watch the show.

Its ridiculous to even suggest.

Seems far fetched to me too. One of the analysts said that, if Vols could replace Pruitt with Fulmer and not have to pay Fulmer head coach money, it would be the coaching change version of buying groceries at Aldi (a discount grocer). If they lose to BYU, play to a half empty Neyland against the Mocs, and go 0-fer in October, who knows what might happen.

 

[82_VOL_83]

Yes I would be very happy with his results. 152-52

So basically a coach that wins an average of 9 games per regular season? I thought a 9 game average wouldn't cut it anymore.

 

[82_VOL_83]

I never said he should be canned or insert interim HC but CJP deserves some heat from this loss.

How do you know he isn't getting it? Should we know when you get disciplined at your job?

 

[jim pique]

PC.Politically correct.What these players in the locker room need to do is get some PC on the entitled Jrs. and others as was done in the IT locker rooms up and until the early 2000's.PC-Punched in the Chops,either start playing,or,run the help away!Empower yourselves to demand that no one will allow a e.g. to "ole" the an as he runs by for a td.No damn jogging toward the play.Not your worthless butt into the stands and get a.$13.00beer.If you are going to watch the game,get in the stands for a better view! Swain,my man,you said it all!

 

[Behr]

Seems far fetched to me too. One of the analysts said that, if Vols could replace Pruitt with Fulmer and not have to pay Fulmer head coach money, it would be the coaching change version of buying groceries at Aldi (a discount grocer). If they lose to BYU, play to a half empty Neyland against the Mocs, and go 0-fer in October, who knows what might happen.

Okay, forget everything else I think about it.

What if we lose to BYU, Fulmer fires Pruitt and takes over as HC and things get no better or even worse?

And, no matter what happens, how many are gonna say this was his plan all along?

Lol.

 

[GoVols64]

One thing CPF will know is if CJP is doing the right things. If it’s a roster and or attitude problem they will need to work through it. If it’s a coaching and or Xs and Os problem it will become apparent when Fulmer is ready to move on.

Despite what we have seen after UK until now we need stability. Top ten classes? No. Top 25 classes will get us the right guys for the systems we want to run. We will need to win all the “should win” games and some of the big games too. Win a bowl or two. Top 10 classes then come in and we start truly competing.

I hate that we are where we are but clearly our hopes for a bowl type year are on a razor’s edge now. If we don’t improve drastically we then know this is a 3-4 year process minimum.

2019 is getting young guys experience.
2020 Year 3 is getting depth and purging dead weight
2021 is starting to get solid wins on field
2022 we start punching w/the big boys

It is what it is I suppose.

 

[JMSqb11]

That's friggin stupid on more than one level. But that's why I asked earlier. If Fulmer and or anyone else thinks he could straighten this out (which I'm not saying I think he can or cannot) then why in the f can't he just tell Pruitt how to and help him do it?

I don't think Fulmer is going to take over the position, but if he does, I won't take this program even partially serious and just kick back with my popcorn and watch the show.

Its ridiculous to even suggest.

The only motivation I can come up with that Phil wants Pruitt to fail so he can coach again is him getting the all-time win record which he is current 21 games short of tying.

But even then that’s at minimum 3 years and him taking over the team and somehow getting 3 more seasons has zero chance of happening.

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

Doug Mattews said the loss was 90% on the coaches. Taylor needed to go. Coaches need to coach better. They thought GSU was chalk and they could do a bunch of experimenting and fine tuning and still win just on talent. It bit them in the ass and very likely cost us any shot at a bowl game this season. Does anyone think Saban taught Pruitt to overlook the competition when fighting below his weight class? Hell no. No coach worth a squirt of piss overlooks any opponent. The players are VFLs and someday many of them will be sitting in the stands of Neyland long after Jeremy Pruitt has moved on from this job with a trunk full of money in route to the friendly confines of Bryant Denny. Maybe some more of the players have attitude problems, maybe not. The only thing that's certain is Pruitt has a knowing how to be a head coach problem.

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

Okay, forget everything else I think about it.

What if we lose to BYU, Fulmer fires Pruitt and takes over as HC and things get no better or even worse?

And, no matter what happens, how many are gonna say this was his plan all along?

Lol.

That would be incredible.

 

[VolArmy74]

The great coaches get everyone on board. I see it at the high school level even. These aren't Butch's players. The second JP took the job they became his players. If after spending 22 months with them, they've still not bought into him, that's on him. Great coaches don't have these issues after that long on the job, at any level of football. You may not have the most talented roster in year two, but player motivation and focus shouldn't be an issue, period.

 

[Behr]

Doug Mattews said the loss was 90% on the coaches. Taylor needed to go. Coaches need to coach better. They thought GSU was chalk and they could do a bunch of experimenting and fine tuning and still win just on talent. It bit them in the ass and very likely cost us any shot at a bowl game this season. Does anyone think Saban taught Pruitt to overlook the competition when fighting below his weight class? Hell no. No coach worth a squirt of piss overlooks any opponent. The players are VFLs and someday many of them will be sitting in the stands of Neyland long after Jeremy Pruitt has moved on from this job with a trunk full of money in route to the friendly confines of Bryant Denny. Maybe some more of the players have attitude problems, maybe not. The only thing that's certain is Pruitt has a knowing how to be a head coach problem.

Yea, hate Pruitt all you want, but not all of those players are VFL.

 

[sjt18]

Keep believing that if you want to further your narrative. Dooley didnt inherit a bad team from Kiffin.

Yeah... I guess if a team with literally NO real DT's on it... one semi-SEC quality RB... NO returning QB's on the roster... no returning quality OL's... etc isn't inheriting a bad roster then you are right. Dooley probably inherited the worst situation of all of them... plus a bunch of off the field issues that had not been resolved.

Butch didnt inherit anything near what Pruitt did.

Comparable.

If you cannot see that then you are being intentionally blind or dumb. Some fans love to say that Fulmer drove this program into a ditch. Thats hilarious. Clearly that was done by Butch Jones and it is on full display still.
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Fulmer drove the program into the ditch. It ain't funny. Recruiting had fallen off and especially on the lines. Fulmer was outclassed in recruiting and on the field. Off the field the Vols couldn't stay off the police blotters. No one since has been able to fix it... but none of them started it. Fulmer did.

I am NOT anti-Fulmer at all. He just became complacent and lost control. It happens. I think he was a very good choice for AD... a position that fits him better anyway.

 

[bigdaddy]

If it is, it may be from early 80s. I think it is a Tee shirt pic.

Ahhh, that’s why I haven’t seen it. It’s a pretty cool pic though

 

[TJSVOLS]

So basically a coach that wins an average of 9 games per regular season? I thought a 9 game average wouldn't cut it anymore.

You wouldn't want the fulmer teams right now. Yes 9 wins would be a good start.

 

[thegasman54]

Seems far fetched to me too. One of the analysts said that, if Vols could replace Pruitt with Fulmer and not have to pay Fulmer head coach money, it would be the coaching change version of buying groceries at Aldi (a discount grocer). If they lose to BYU, play to a half empty Neyland against the Mocs, and go 0-fer in October, who knows what might happen.

When we have people posting ignorance like this it makes me question just how dumb humans can possibly be ... sheesh wtf

 

[sjt18]

The great coaches get everyone on board. I see it at the high school level even. These aren't Butch's players. The second JP took the job they became his players. If after spending 22 months with them, they've still not bought into him, that's on him. Great coaches don't have these issues after that long on the job, at any level of football. You may not have the most talented roster in year two, but player motivation and focus shouldn't be an issue, period.

This is completely false.


I don't know if Pruitt is any good or not. I certainly won't claim he's "great". But you don't change people. You can remove them. You can make a refusal to change "painful". You can influence them to a degree. But people don't change until they choose to change. As convenient and easy as it may seem just to blame the leader.... sometimes people won't let go of their own agenda at any cost. Sometimes those people don't reveal themselves for a while or until some event exposes them.