If you ran into Butch Jones..........

[rgvol]

Turn the other cheek.

 

[I40flyer]

Just a shot in the dark, but maybe, perhaps, possibly, based on recruiting rankings...

it's not that hard to figure out.

Evidently, it is very hard for some to figure it out!!! "Based on RECRUITING RANKINGS!!!!!!! Wow, I always thought when you Add Talent, it showed up on the field, you know-during games. When you go to the horse races, you can get "Rankings", but they still run the races, your ability to pick winners can easily be measured by your pocket book! Really, it's not that hard to figure out.:hi:
It should be noted, you are 100% correct-when you get all excited over recruits with high rankings, even if they don't produce on the field-that is the easy part to figure out. How to recruit players that ADD to the Vols Football program, is much more difficult, in fact, that is the standard most fans actually care about-those that add to the team, help us WIN a few games. Of course, the jones fan-boys have lead us into an era where winning is second to "good recruiting"! I hope all this is about to change.:hi:

 

[82_VOL_83]

Evidently, it is very hard for some to figure it out!!! "Based on RECRUITING RANKINGS!!!!!!! Wow, I always thought when you Add Talent, it showed up on the field, you know-during games. When you go to the horse races, you can get "Rankings", but they still run the races, your ability to pick winners can easily be measured by your pocket book! Really, it's not that hard to figure out.:hi:
It should be noted, you are 100% correct-when you get all excited over recruits with high rankings, even if they don't produce on the field-that is the easy part to figure out. How to recruit players that ADD to the Vols Football program, is much more difficult, in fact, that is the standard most fans actually care about-those that add to the team, help us WIN a few games. Of course, the jones fan-boys have lead us into an era where winning is second to "good recruiting"! I hope all this is about to change.:hi:

Your CBJ hate glasses are getting in the way. He was a good recruiter, in fact a very good recruiter however, he recruited anyone with a lot of stars whether they fit or not and he also couldn't develop players (nor could his staff) worth a crap. Ergo to say he was a good recruiter is not a lie. To say that the talent didn't translate to the field is also not a lie but due to incompetence as a coach, not from lack of being a good recruiter.

 

[Volview]

I would say thank you for your service. You can't blame the man for taking the job. I feel like he worked hard the time he was here, and did the best he could. It just didn't work out. Time to move on.

Something like this...You all are acting like CBJ wanted to lose.

 

[HARTUPM]

Solid hire for your OC this year huh?

WTF were you thinking keeping Kamara (NFL rookie of the year/pro-bowler stud) on the bench to keep Hurd (hoping to crack the starting lineup at Baylor) and family happy?

Classy move finishing out the last 2 games of the season for the players that YOU recruited... you're not a very resilient individual are you?

 

[Doyle Hargraves]

Your CBJ hate glasses are getting in the way. He was a good recruiter, in fact a very good recruiter however, he recruited anyone with a lot of stars whether they fit or not and he also couldn't develop players (nor could his staff) worth a crap. Ergo to say he was a good recruiter is not a lie. To say that the talent didn't translate to the field is also not a lie but due to incompetence as a coach, not from lack of being a good recruiter.

Wouldn't recruiting players that didn't fit kind of work against your argument of him being a good recruiter? I know it would never happen but if he recruited 28 4 and 5 star running backs in a class, the class ranking would look great, but would that make him a good recruiter?

Getting guys that fill needs and fit the system is every bit as important as star ratings when it comes to being a great recruiter.

 

[I40flyer]

Wouldn't recruiting players that didn't fit kind of work against your argument of him being a good recruiter? I know it would never happen but if he recruited 28 4 and 5 star running backs in a class, the class ranking would look great, but would that make him a good recruiter?

Getting guys that fill needs and fit the system is every bit as important as star ratings when it comes to being a great recruiter.

Great Post!!! Some people, still can't figure this out, if last year didn't wake the brain dead, nothing will.:banghead2:

 

[Tman2020]

You gave it a good try, coach. Things don't always work out as we would want. Can't feel sorry for you, dude. You walked away with undeserved millions.

I actually think he'd make a great assistant coach at UT, but we know that ain't happening... :salute: Adios, Chuck.

 

[82_VOL_83]

Wouldn't recruiting players that didn't fit kind of work against your argument of him being a good recruiter? I know it would never happen but if he recruited 28 4 and 5 star running backs in a class, the class ranking would look great, but would that make him a good recruiter?

Getting guys that fill needs and fit the system is every bit as important as star ratings when it comes to being a great recruiter.

I believe he recruited well. He sucked as a coach.

Point being, CBJ's inability to develop talent cannot be used as an evaluation tool of his recruiting ability.

 

[GetYouSomeofThat]

Solid hire for your OC this year huh?

WTF were you thinking keeping Kamara (NFL rookie of the year/pro-bowler stud) on the bench to keep Hurd (hoping to crack the starting lineup at Baylor) and family happy?

Classy move finishing out the last 2 games of the season for the players that YOU recruited... you're not a very resilient individual are you?

He was fired... damn some of you guys are bordering on the retard level.

Would your d..bass stay in a job you were fired from, have punks on the internet harassing you and your family, seeing punks anywhere a camera was holding up signs calling for you to be fired? Yea, I didnt' think so.


My guess is none of you little boys would say anything. All you'd do is act like a little middle school girl by grabbing your phone and snapping a pic of him so you could post silly little comments about seeing him on the street.

 

[BreatheUT]

This thread cracks me up. If this thread was started in Aug. 90% of the haters in here would have carried his groceries, mowed his yard, fed the dog and washed his car for him.

Butch didn't change! He's sh*tty in-game coaching, poor player development, and insane excuses have been there the whole time. Evidently a lot eyes opened.

The UT job is/was too big for him. It doesn't mean he can't go back to the MAC and do well. I wish him the best.

I won't comment on your 1st paragraph but the rest of your comments are spot on. Jones started in year 1 giving away potential wins. If you recall this is the year Florida finished 4-8 and lost to Georgia Southern. Jones took the Vols to the swamp and allowed Nathan Peterman to go 4 for 11 for 5 yards before he thought it would be a good idea to pull him to start the 3rd quarter. By that time it was too late.

That was the first indication the CBJ was in over his head and appeared to be a stubborn coach not ready for the big stage. The beginning of being owned and punked by Muschamp.

 

[ThreatLevelOrange]

He’d be out for the season with an upper body injury.

 

[Vol Main]

Butch has the money to do whatever he wants to do -- or not. He and his family are set for life, so I do not have any sorries to waste on him. Still, I think he really did love being a football coach and wonder if he is crushed at failing at his big shot in the SEC.

 

[volfanhill]

Butch has the money to do whatever he wants to do -- or not. He and his family are set for life, so I do not have any sorries to waste on him. Still, I think he really did love being a football coach and wonder if he is crushed at failing at his big shot in the SEC.

I am sure it crushed him. No one likes failing and he didn’t take the job expecting to. And those acting like they would antagonize him are classless or liars.

 

[ConantheVolbarian]

He was fired... damn some of you guys are bordering on the retard level.

Would your d..bass stay in a job you were fired from, have punks on the internet harassing you and your family, seeing punks anywhere a camera was holding up signs calling for you to be fired? Yea, I didnt' think so.


My guess is none of you little boys would say anything. All you'd do is act like a little middle school girl by grabbing your phone and snapping a pic of him so you could post silly little comments about seeing him on the street.

Oh sthu.... Jones got paid millions and had 5 years to win a pathetically weak east. The man could not get it done and people were understandably unhappy with that.

 

[TennTom]

It's not Butch Jones fault that Bama Dave couldn't find a competent coach that could compete in the brutal SEC. Anybody in their right mind would have taken the job and the $30 Million contract and it's massive perks. He tried his best, it wasn't enough. Move on and show some damn class.

 

[TennTom]

I'd say you had Dobbs, Kamara, Barnett and you couldn't even when the east Id say it to his face

And you wonder why everyone laughs at you, D4H.

Being a keyboard badass requires you to have multiple screen-names to validate your stupid? Weird.

 

[EBVol865]

It's not Butch Jones fault that Bama Dave couldn't find a competent coach that could compete in the brutal SEC. Anybody in their right mind would have taken the job and the $30 Million contract and it's massive perks. He tried his best, it wasn't enough. Move on and show some damn class.

I beg to differ, sir/madam (that’s politically correct now, right?) anywhoo, Butch Jones was awful. Yes, our AD was terrible, hence the jones hire, Butch Jones declined every year he was here(defense and then ultimately offense). He had good players and then declined slowly when it were his classes. He was just plain awful at developing talent. Terrible. So, of course it wasn’t good enough. He has literally gone down with the worst team in the HISTORY of Tennessee football — with 4 and 5 star recruits . You seem to not grasp that concept. Get real.

 

[volfan102455]

Oh sthu.... Jones got paid millions and had 5 years to win a pathetically weak east. The man could not get it done and people were understandably unhappy with that.

And yet some folks are willing to write off 2018 and give Pruitt 4 to 5 years to be successful.

More than likely we will have this same thread in a few years with a different name.

Many Vol fans have no patience.

 

[82_VOL_83]

And you wonder why everyone laughs at you, D4H.

Being a keyboard badass requires you to have multiple screen-names to validate your stupid? Weird.

^This with the following exception...


Might want to edit to
You're stupid, or
Your stupidity.

I'm sure it was just a slip of the finger.

 

[Doyle Hargraves]

And yet some folks are willing to write off 2018 and give Pruitt 4 to 5 years to be successful.

More than likely we will have this same thread in a few years with a different name.

Many Vol fans have no patience.

Are you saying we should have given Jones more patience and time?
Serious question.

 

[volsportsfan]

Are you saying we should have given Jones more patience and time?
Serious question.

If I knew we'd end up with Pruitt, yes. You don't get rid of Jones for an unproven Pruitt. Give the man one more year. He had 2 consecutive winning seasons, then bombed. Give him one more to prove the last one was a slip up in judgement.

I'm all for firing Butch, but for someone proven. Not for an unproven like Pruitt. In my opinion, we'll be doing this again in 4 years.

 

[Doyle Hargraves]

If I knew we'd end up with Pruitt, yes. You don't get rid of Jones for an unproven Pruitt. Give the man one more year. He had 3 consecutive winning seasons, then bombed. Give him one more to prove the last one was a slip up in judgement.

I'm all for firing Butch, but for someone proven. Not for an unproven like Pruitt. In my opinion, we'll be doing this again in 4 years.

Tennessee hasn't hired a proven coach since Majors.
So, we were all insane to expect anything different this go around.
Still, you can't simply stick with proven failure and might as well gamble on the next guy.
Let's just hope we get lucky this time and hope for the best.

 

[volsportsfan]

I don't like having a guy who trained on the job for 5 years, had a winning record, then gets replaced by another guy who will require as much or more on the job training. Just not smart.

Prove me wrong Pruitt, please!

 

[volsportsfan]

Tennessee hasn't hired a proven coach since Majors.
So, we were all insane to expect anything different this go around.
Still, you can't simply stick with proven failure and might as well gamble on the next guy.
Let's just hope we get lucky this time and hope for the best.

And most likely that is the problem. This University and boosters aren't willing to spend big money to bring in a big time coach. It can be done. Look at a&m. Hopefully Pruitt will work out