If you ran into Butch Jones..........

I have met both Majors and Fulmer while they were coaches and when they were not. To each of them I said "How ya doin coach" each time. They were both respectful and gentlemen and responded back with a typical Tennessee response, "good, how are you?"
I never met the trifecta from California, Georgia and Michigan as none of them hung around long enough. I would expect a similar response from one of those three as well.
 
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He lost his job, as far as I know, doing the best he could which just didn't pan out...Trying to make CBJ out to be some kind of villain may be the most juvenile thing I've seen posted here (AND THAT'S REALLY SAYING SOMETHING)... leave this man alone and move on for goodness sakes...and just like one poster said...You wouldn't have the guts or whatever it takes to be a disgusting, obnoxious, over the top lost his priorities in life fan to look another grown man in the eyes and say anything...ON HERE??? OH YEAH...you can talk like a big boy....but I'm confident CBJ could and would defend himself and his family quite nicely against the likes....Sorry...but this stuff just needs my daddy's 13' long leather belt taken to it.... OK...carry on with your sophomoric name calling....
 
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Nothing. I had no interest in him the day he was hired and I was proven exactly right over the four years it took everybody else to catch up. Things turned out exactly as any thoughtful individual would have predicted. Go after the AD if you want a real target.

Please. You had no way of knowing, just like everyone else, how good he would have done over that 5 year span like any coach who was hired in the past. Wonder how many people said your same dumb comments about Fulmer when he took over in '92? Look how that turned out.

Point is, every coach that is hired by any school has the potential to do great, or fall flat. It's not a choice, but rather a cause and effect of all moving parts.

I'd tell him thank you for getting the program even-keeled again, and bringing in largely good kids (talent level aside) who wanted to play for UT. Good luck to you in the future and hope it works out at a different school.
 
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I’d ask him a few questions:

1. Why no thank you note to Vol Nation like a lot of your staff? Mike freaking Canales even gave us a thank you.

2. Why didn’t you run the ball on the one yard line vs Florida this year?

3. Why didn’t you go for two vs Florida in 2015?

4. Why’d you bully Antone Davis and Daniel Helm?

5. Why has there been literally no development of any player while you coached here?

6. Why didn’t you use Alvin Kamara?

7. Did Shy Tuttle fall on his helmet? Tell me that with a straight face, coach.

8. Why’d you try to intimidate local radio show hosts like VFL Jayson Swain?


You wouldn’t ask him any of that and you know it
 
I would thank him for having to dig us out of Dooleys Dumpster then wish him well. No reason to have animosity towards him honestly.
 
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ok you cruel Mfers! I would shake his hand and tell him thanks for rebuilding our program.
He wasn't Derrick Dooley, he brought the program together. in my Final words, he was not the best but gave 100%. Injuries every year didnt help him either! JMO
 
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I'd probably tell him nice house on the beach.
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Some of you are pathetic. I’d thank him for taking the job that was offered to him and giving it a shot. I believe that he tried to the best of his ability, but in the end just wasn’t good enough to get it done at the level expected. That means I should hate him? Curse him out? That’s ridiculous. Yes, I wish he had done a better job, but why would that lead me to hating him as a person?

This is the worst of Volnation epitomized.
 
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I would ask if he could float me a loan to get out of debt.Tenn. just paid the last of Dools payout and Fulmers 6 mil. Im sure he can spare a little of the 8 mil he has coming.I jest!
 
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I would say I bet your replacement doesn't have as good a record as you five years from now. Fulmer botched the hire. You bring in the top coaches in the business and he brings in novices. Time will tell. Those top ten recruiting classes are now down to #45.

Your butthurt level is expert
 
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Running into him and having a conversation are 2 different things. I’d walk past him without an acknowledgement if we were just passing by each other. If in some weird circumstance I found myself sitting by CBJ on a flight, then I may have a few questions. I wouldn’t be rude but would definitely ask a hard question or 2. Odds are he asked to be left alone after the first question and then it’d be me just sitting there reading Volnation and laughing at all the tough guys and their hypotheticals.
 
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You wouldn't say a word.

For two reasons. 1. You aren't as tough and witty in real life as you are on here. 2. Deep down you know being bad at your job isn't a legit reason to be harassed and assaulted on the street.

:lolabove::lolabove: Nuclear!!!:lolabove::lolabove:
 
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That's a good question. Here is my response.

For a number of reasons, it would behoove most to neither confirm nor deny the capacity of any preexisting professional or personal relationship, past or present. Those who know the man probably won't answer at all or they might even answer as if they are someone who doesn't know him at all. For that reason, like most posts on anonymous message boards, it's best practice to take any response gleaned with at least a dash of salt because the reliability of the content source is unverifiable at best to all but perhaps the most credulous among us.

Having provided that disclaiming preamble, I find it important (in the spirit of fairness to the creator of this thread and all others) to perform a cursory critical analysis of the question before offering an answer. To do this correctly, one first considers his or her audience. After all, this isn't an entry into a journal that only the author reads, but a measured response returned with the aim of putting to rest any doubts on the part of the questioner. The creator of this thread was kind enough to offer a glimpse into his (or her) own position on this topic so that all who answer may know where he stands on the matter, philosophically.

From the limited insight provided in the opening post, one may surmise a notion held by the thread creator, that he (and even Vol Nation as a collective entity) is one who possesses an interest that entitles him to a say regarding the coaching performance of Lyle "Butch" Jones. But does he now? Do any of us? Considering he is no longer officially responsible for his previous job duties, what would be gained from chastising the man as a result of his previous employment? Whether it is combative or supportive in nature, it is my opinion that any such criticism at this juncture is not apropos.

To double-down, I offer in support of this opinion, that confronting the former coach at all would be only the act of a loser who is unable to reign in his passion for the Vols in a conduct becoming of a rational adult. History would bear record and show I am not alone in this proposition with the work of Immanuel Kant's Second Formulation of the Categorical Imperative lending its voice of approval in support. Let us simply appeal using logic. If we do not possess the right to demand Jones suffer verbal harassment as punishment for his previous professional performance, then such a conduct as deemed (by the thread creator in his opening post to be) language too inappropriate for publication on this forum is a violation of normative ethics in at least two different ways. First, since we as rational moral agents would not wish to be treated in kind, it is unreasonable to assume the right to treat Butch Jones in this way. The other way such behavior violates our moral duty is because it demonstrates a faulty view of a human being as merely an object to be used as a means to an end instead of treating our fellow man as deserving of dignity on the same basis of autonomous will that justifies our own worthiness of equal treatment. To echo Kant's assertion, as rational moral agents, we should never include a human as an objectified and dispensible variable in a hypothetical imperative's maxim, but it is our categorical duty to do unto others as we would have them do unto us whether it results in a desirable outcome for ourselves or not, simply because it is the right thing to do.

In summary, while it may temporarily appease our emotions to give Butch Jones "a piece of our mind" about his performance as a college football coach last season, that would be using him as a means to the end of satisfying only our own feelings without regard to his. Additionally, even if we were content to throw ethics out the window to "really let him have it", it would not profit any of us in any real way. The termination of Butch Jones from his role as football coach was well within the right of the University in the sight of the law and man. It serves as an adequate response or "punishment" for a perceived failure to produce a result that met expectations on the football field. For this reason, at a minimum, my words to Butch Jones, if I ran into him on the street in a close enough proximity that the common courtesy of acknowledging him was called for on my part, would be the same words I'd urge you as the creator of this thread and indeed all Vol Nation to say to the coach who did manage to coach teams to recent back to back winning seasons at the University of Tennessee. Good day, sir.
 
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I'd thank him for trying his best and wish him well.

To the best of my knowledge, he never did anything to purposely hurt the program...let sleeping dogs lie!
 
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I would tell him bye. Hell, it wouldn't do any good to say anything more.

Then again, I would also wish him luck at his next stop, and I hope those individual individuals will individualize their individuality.
 
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You shouldn't say any dayum thing if you can't say something nice. The man dragged us out of perpetual losing seasons into three bowl victories. And for just a time, gave us a glimpse of what we could be again someday. Thank him for that at least. Being a vile spiteful person only Trumpizes you and justifies the claims of many that Vols fans are a miserable, ungrateful and mean-spirited bunch of dumb hicks. I swear some of you so-called fans have the lifelong goal of making the rest of us look like the worst of the stereotypes outsiders have about us.

From 5-7, a depleted roster and poor culture when he got here in 2012.....to 4-8, a depleted roster and poor culture when he left now in 2017.

And stop with the political “Trumpize” crap. His critics/Democrats day far, far worse ish than that guy is even capable of. He only punches back.

The correct answer to the OPs question is just walk past the man, don’t say anything, let him live in and hopefully soon leave Knoxville and the state of Tennessee in peace. He deserves neither thanks nor scorn imho.
 
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