If you put 8 in the box for Ingram and 2 on Julio....

[T-TownVol]

Name one. I went out on a limb and named one. I gave you my opinion, if you disagree you should name one too. Alabama's in a great position to be very successful this season and next season. I don't know of another unproven QB who is in a better position to succeed in the entire Country. We're talking about a first year starting Junior that possibly could have a National Championship when he leaves college. Not many first year starters can say that right now. Maybe only Matt B. over at USCw.

I understand your excitement about the possibility of Bammer winning a NC, but it will not be because of Greg. He is a warm body to hand the ball off to the real studs of the offense. Being the QB of the NC team does not mean that you are a great QB.

 

[justingroves]

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You started it

 

[Birmingham]

I understand your excitement about the possibility of Bammer winning a NC, but it will not be because of Greg. He is a warm body to hand the ball off to the real studs of the offense. Being the QB of the NC team does not mean that you are a great QB.

You and I disagree on this matter.

 

[edram150]

This will really get you blood boiling, but I would argue that if you put Crompton in you offense with your players. Bama's passing game is at worse just as good as it is now, and probably a little better. Put McElroy in our offense with our players, and TN's passing game drops considerably, if that's possible.

 

[sjt18]

I'm really not worried about whether Monte will come up with a good scheme or not. I am worried about execution.... and that's it. I suspect Berry will spy Ingram. I really don't think UT will do alot of special coverage on JJ. As someone mentioned, the D will always be aware of where he's at but McElroy still has to get it there and their OL has to give him time. I don't think either will happen with great consistency.

This side of the equation comes down to whether Bama can run against UT's front 7 plus Berry.

On the other side, it really comes down to Crompton and the receivers. If they can keep Bama honest then UT should be able to run well enough to make it a game. Any better than that and UT has a decent shot. I've been saying awhile now that UT's hope is in the fact that Bama gives up a little speed to get size. Bama's front 3 aren't fast at all compared to other SEC D's. If misdirection and PA can get those guys turned then they've blocked themselves.

 

[sjt18]

You and I disagree on this matter.

It isn't really a matter where the term disagree applies... You are denying facts.

McElroy has only completed over 50% against Ark and UK who are the bottom dwellers in the SEC for D. For the last three games, he's hit exactly 50% of his passes and is averaging about 135 ypg. UT has the best D he's faced so far in the SEC.

Bama may well win a NC. But McElroy will not be the reason... you'll get there only if he can effectively stay out of the way and get it to Jones/Maze once in awhile.

Considering the talent that surrounds him, McElroy looks like the least talented QB in the SEC right now. He may well rip UT to shreds... but he doesn't look good so far.

 

[UGotCrimsonEnvy]

This will really get you blood boiling, but I would argue that if you put Crompton in you offense with your players. Bama's passing game is at worse just as good as it is now, and probably a little better. Put McElroy in our offense with our players, and TN's passing game drops considerably, if that's possible.

Crompton has 599 pass attempts in his career to McElroy's 317.

Crompton has significantly more college game experience than McElroy has. Greg only played in mop up duty the two previous years. So as far as experience goes, yea Crompton is the better QB experience wise. As of right now Greg is 40th in the nation in Passing Efficiency and Jonathan is 61st.

With that being said their numbers are real close to being the same. The thing that brings Crompton down is the 9 int's vs 3 for Greg.

Att Comp. Yards TD Rating
McElroy 173 103 1325 9 137.57

Crompton 177 102 1210 13 129.12

Source:

Passing Efficiency NCAA Stats

 

[VOLS INC.]

Im SURE monte's got something up his sleeve

 

[Birmingham]

It isn't really a matter where the term disagree applies... You are denying facts.

McElroy has only completed over 50% against Ark and UK who are the bottom dwellers in the SEC for D. For the last three games, he's hit exactly 50% of his passes and is averaging about 135 ypg. UT has the best D he's faced so far in the SEC.

Bama may well win a NC. But McElroy will not be the reason... you'll get there only if he can effectively stay out of the way and get it to Jones/Maze once in awhile.

Considering the talent that surrounds him, McElroy looks like the least talented QB in the SEC right now. He may well rip UT to shreds... but he doesn't look good so far.

He threw for 86% against Arkansas with 3 Touchdowns and 0 int's. How exactly is that near 50%? Because you coupled it with a game he didn't do well in? Seems you could even out any stat you wanted by doing that.

As for the flip flop comment of Crompton coming to bama and McElroy going to Tenn. McElroy's thrown 9 TD's, not too shabby. Crompton's thrown the same number in INT's, that's shabby.

 

[sjt18]

If Crompton had McElroy's talent to throw to... UT fans would have been talking Heisman rather than a replacement.

McElroy may become a good QB. He may become one this week. But nothing he's done so far says "We have to stop that guy to win".

 

[The Dude Abides]

Not so sure of that. AJ Green might be the speed guy, but Julio Jones will flat out go up and get the ball. He's harder to cover.

you might want to check your facts on that, Julio runs a 4.5 according to Scout.com and a 4.48 per rivals.com, Green a 4.5 and a 4.6 respectively. Julio is bigger, strong and faster than Green, Green has better numbers because UGA throws the ball his way 10+ times a game and he's been catching them. Julio may get 5-10 looks but hasn't been catching them, at this moment Green is playing better, but Julio has far superior physical tools. So in a way i agree, i'd rather have Julio. ROLL TIDE! :rock:

 

[WA_Vol]

I think it will be the same defense UT has used all year, 4-3-4 with some blitz packages out of it.

 

[sjt18]

He threw for 86% against Arkansas with 3 Touchdowns and 0 int's. How exactly is that near 50%?

I said he was only over 50% against them and UK... bottom dwellers defensively in the SEC. And he didn't have 86% vs Ark. He was 17/24 for 71%... They avg giving up 60% completion including 59% to SW Missouri St. They rank 12th in the SEC in opponents' passer rating, ypg, yards per attempt, and completion percentage. IOW's, they are down right horrible in pass D.

Because you coupled it with a game he didn't do well in? Seems you could even out any stat you wanted by doing that.

He's played two quality SEC D's. It just so happens he's played them the past couple of weeks. They've exposed McElroy as Bama's weakness. You ought to be giddy that they can win and win fairly big without him rather than trying to defend the indefensible.

As for the flip flop comment of Crompton coming to bama and McElroy going to Tenn. McElroy's thrown 9 TD's, not too shabby. Crompton's thrown the same number in INT's, that's shabby.

Crompton has thrown 13 TD passes (2nd in the SEC). He's thrown 1 pick in the last 3 games. I know you haven't been privileged to our arguments here but some of JC's picks have been because WR's ran the wrong route or ran the route incorrectly.

Give him J Jones and Maze... and he'd be lighting it up. Last week we finally saw what UT's passing game can do when the WR's the DO have are healthy.

 

[vols_fan_68]

McCelerey would be pathetic without Ingram

 

[Birmingham]

Crompton has thrown 13 TD passes (2nd in the SEC). He's thrown 1 pick in the last 3 games. I know you haven't been privileged to our arguments here but some of JC's picks have been because WR's ran the wrong route or ran the route incorrectly.

Give him J Jones and Maze... and he'd be lighting it up. Last week we finally saw what UT's passing game can do when the WR's the DO have are healthy.

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[UGotCrimsonEnvy]

If Crompton had McElroy's talent to throw to... UT fans would have been talking Heisman rather than a replacement.

McElroy may become a good QB. He may become one this week. But nothing he's done so far says "We have to stop that guy to win".

Good point and I agree with you, especially the last two games. I hope he stays healthy and finishes the season though because he is the best we have at this point.

If he goes down it could be a long remaining five games...

 

[The Dude Abides]

Are you trolls not welcome on your own boards?

do you fear intelligent conversation with opposing fans?

 

[BeecherVol]

McElroy has not played well as of late. UT needs this to continue, to have a chance. Bama's run game is enough to worry about, if he gets it going, we will have a tough day.

If we get a game, like the game he played against USCjr, we have a shot, not only to make a game of it, but win.

 

[WeNeedaQB]

I've enjoyed this site for a while and long enough to know a handful of really good folks here. Some that have helped me through some rough times. If there's one thing I know it's that game week can bring out the worst in some people. Since I only know you from the past few posts I have to say that you, sir, are a prick.

Disregard the fans that having nothing to add but calling someone a troll. In my opinion it is the addition (or abscence) of other teams' fans (trolls or not, irrelevant imo) that makes a game meaningful. This has been the best thread in a while.

My thought...hopefully the new and improved Crompton shows up and not the 5 year version. With good defense and no (NONE) mistakes on special teams we are in this game in the 4th quarter and then it is anyone's game. Rivalrys...throw out the record books.

 

[sjt18]

Good point and I agree with you, especially the last two games. I hope he stays healthy and finishes the season though because he is the best we have at this point.

If he goes down it could be a long remaining five games...

Thanks and... REALLY???

I thought Bama had recruited a couple of ringers over the past couple of years. Weren't McCarron and Jackson supposed to be guys who could start from day one?

McElroy is a Shula holdover isn't he?

 

[sjt18]

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OK... Same as McElroy threw in his last game, right?

My point was that Crompton has been getting better. He started getting better against Ohio and Aub but the stats didn't show it because there were several drops in both games on relatively easy plays. Last game, G Jones and Moore finally played well. They both seemed to have come along too slowly after being injured through fall camp and the early season.

Granted UGA isn't playing world beater D either but they are a very talented team.

 

[Birmingham]

Granted UGA isn't playing world beater D either but they are a very talented team.

Again I don't agree. I don't think they're talented at all. That has nothing to do with Tennessee's success over Georgia. I just don't think they're very good.

 

[T-TownVol]

Again I don't agree. I don't think they're talented at all. That has nothing to do with Tennessee's success over Georgia. I just don't think they're very good.

way to throw that little gem in there to fool some into thinking you are not a troll.....i know, i know, you "don't agree"

 

[edram150]

If Crompton had McElroy's talent to throw to... UT fans would have been talking Heisman rather than a replacement.

McElroy may become a good QB. He may become one this week. But nothing he's done so far says "We have to stop that guy to win".

That was my point. Their stats are fairly equal, but the talent difference in their intended targets favors Bama's recievers. All things being equal, I would give the edge to Crompton...which to this point, is not saying a whole lot.

That all being said, I can't remember now, why I brought this up.

 

[sjt18]

Again I don't agree. I don't think they're talented at all. That has nothing to do with Tennessee's success over Georgia. I just don't think they're very good.

Then you need to take another look at the players UGA has on D. They may have as much talent as UF or Bama. Martinez is simply incompetent.