If you need evidence of what a program looks like

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wmcovol said:
With a good coach & sound offensive philosophy look at Purdue. Even down several players their offense still was outstanding and very physical. They were far more physical than Tennessee on both LOS. You can see the impact of a strength program that’s consistent.

Tennessee otoh is a team put together by a first year coach of players from a charade of programs in years past, no identity and various S&C philosophies which has limited development by several players, lack of depth across the entire program.

I trust Tennessee administration sees the problem changing coaches constantly (no other option with last 4). Let Heupel build his program. I expect we’ll see this is a starting point.
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Poor comparison. We lost over a third of our roster last year and still almost beat the average team you describe as a stable program.
 
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Big Orange Rock said:
Remind me of all the long runs we had.... I remember one. Long runs start up front and count just as much as short runs.
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The long runs distort running efficiency. I guess some forgot several failed 3rd & short attempts. Purdue also put good pressure on Hooker most of the game. About 7-8 of his rush attempts were actually escaping sacks where he ended up with good gains. I guess some credit to OL for those rushing yds too!

Hey, some of you think the OL is fine and that’s ok with me. I think the OL is weak, didn’t play well and was physically dominated in a lot of critical plays in the game.
 
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wmcovol said:
The long runs distort running efficiency. I guess some forgot several failed 3rd & short attempts. Purdue also put good pressure on Hooker most of the game. About 7-8 of his rush attempts were actually escaping sacks where he ended up with good gains. I guess some credit to OL for those rushing yds too!

Hey, some of you think the OL is fine and that’s ok with me. I think the OL is weak, didn’t play well and was physically dominated in a lot of critical plays in the game.
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I do not disagree that they got the better of us in the trenches. I just do not think it was quite as bad as you are letting on in regards to the OL. I felt our DL struggled mightily most of the night but although losing their fair share of the battles I thought the OL held up fairly well. Well enough to put up 52 points. I am counting the last play as a touchdown because well it was.
 
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wmcovol said:
With a good coach & sound offensive philosophy look at Purdue. Even down several players their offense still was outstanding and very physical. They were far more physical than Tennessee on both LOS. You can see the impact of a strength program that’s consistent.

Tennessee otoh is a team put together by a first year coach of players from a charade of programs in years past, no identity and various S&C philosophies which has limited development by several players, lack of depth across the entire program.

I trust Tennessee administration sees the problem changing coaches constantly (no other option with last 4). Let Heupel build his program. I expect we’ll see this is a starting point.
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Or we could look at Alabama.
 
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Hacksaw said:
The narrative about Purdue being out-manned in this game was always a crock. It was a typical media talking point that was repeated over and over again without context.

Our roster was cratered before the season even began, as evidenced by the disparity in available scholarship players between Purdue and ourselves. We saw the effect of this throughout the season and how our lack of starting talent and depth cost us (despite the great effort by our new coach to overcome it). We lost our starting QB, our two best RBs, some of our most talented and experienced linemen, our most talented DB (by all accounts), our two best LBs (one of whom was arguably our best defensive player), etc., etc....

Then, of the players who remained, our best RB (portal), OL (injury) & DB (NFL combine prep) did not play vs. Purdue. But all they could talk about was how poor Purdue was at such a huge disadvantage.
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Absolutely correct. It’s amazing how all the ESPN talking heads would make a joke of our “mass exodus” via the transfer portal for the entire year, and then when we’re on the national stage our starting point is completely forgotten to fuel some false narrative of “Purdue’s scrappy competitor’s mentality. Those guys on the broadcadtvevfn tried to use that to justify Purdue’s flops . . . “Purdue doesn’t have enough players to fake injuries.” I had to laugh.
 
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Purdue had to boarder line cheat at the end of the game. No respect for them.
 
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golfballs said:
Brohm is not a bad coach at all. I wasnt pissed that he was considered a candidate in the search before last. But he’s in his 5th season and despite the outcome yesterday I believe we’re the better team. We played yesterday a little too loose, maybe because it was a ****** bowl game like the MCB that I hope we never return to. Anyway I think we’re better off
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Agree golf...
Would Brohm have been a better choice than Pruitt?...most likely.
Brohm better choice than Heupel?...not in the conditions Heupel took over. I don't see anyway Brohm could have come in and did what Heupel has done at UT.

Also, other than one or two decisions last night, Heupel is the better coach.
 
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volfeeva said:
This new trend of players skipping bowl games to get ready for the draft, and others entering the portal almost makes bowl games of today almost meaningless. Just look at the other SEC teams in bowl games this season...Auburn, Florida, A&M losing so many players you can't compete. The only players willing to hang around for a bowl game are the 4 playing for the NC. Even if we recruit great players will they hang around for a Music City bowl or Gator bowl?
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Most likely they will not hang around. It has gotten to be the best thing about bowl games is the extra practice that it offers. When you take out mid semester studying and tests, and the holidays I’m not even sure how many extra practices they get.
The national playoffs is taking away the glitter of all other bowls, and if they do go to a 8 team playoff it will take more away from lower tier bowls. I do think if the players were required to play it would make the bowls more interesting.
 
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wmcovol said:
With a good coach & sound offensive philosophy look at Purdue. Even down several players their offense still was outstanding and very physical. They were far more physical than Tennessee on both LOS. You can see the impact of a strength program that’s consistent.

Tennessee otoh is a team put together by a first year coach of players from a charade of programs in years past, no identity and various S&C philosophies which has limited development by several players, lack of depth across the entire program.

I trust Tennessee administration sees the problem changing coaches constantly (no other option with last 4). Let Heupel build his program. I expect we’ll see this is a starting point.
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All this and Tennessee still won...8-5!!!!
 
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wmcovol said:
With a good coach & sound offensive philosophy look at Purdue. Even down several players their offense still was outstanding and very physical. They were far more physical than Tennessee on both LOS. You can see the impact of a strength program that’s consistent.

Tennessee otoh is a team put together by a first year coach of players from a charade of programs in years past, no identity and various S&C philosophies which has limited development by several players, lack of depth across the entire program.

I trust Tennessee administration sees the problem changing coaches constantly (no other option with last 4). Let Heupel build his program. I expect we’ll see this is a starting point.
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We had 700 yds of offense by a team and coach with 1 season under the belt & delt with over 35 transfers out that were a lot of starters all over the bowl season, that team? That team took the 5 yr coach and his program you speak of at Purdue to OT. WTH are you talking about?
 
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UTK said:
Purdue had to boarder line cheat at the end of the game. No respect for them.
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I’ll never get over it. For non conference teams that I dislike the most, they’re top 3 now. Eff them and the little black train piece or chit with the horn they put stuffed dolls on and had parked on 2nd Ave. Looked like some POS that Fred Sanford built
 
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wmcovol said:
With a good coach & sound offensive philosophy look at Purdue. Even down several players their offense still was outstanding and very physical. They were far more physical than Tennessee on both LOS. You can see the impact of a strength program that’s consistent.

Tennessee otoh is a team put together by a first year coach of players from a charade of programs in years past, no identity and various S&C philosophies which has limited development by several players, lack of depth across the entire program.

I trust Tennessee administration sees the problem changing coaches constantly (no other option with last 4). Let Heupel build his program. I expect we’ll see this is a starting point.
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“What a program looks like”

You do know they went 2-4 last year…..right? With the same coach. (27 points per game)

You do understand they went 4-8 the year before…….with the same coach……right? (25 points per game)

Did you realize they went 6-7 the year before that too……right? With that coach. (30 points per game)

sure they had a good season, and sure because of a terrible officiating decision they won………but they are NOT some great……or even good “program.”……….also sure they have passed the ball well this season, but they are 127th in rushing O……..this is NOT what an amazing O looks like. Good for this ONE season (only in passing) but nothing amazing about it.

Maybe…….just maybe at least do some research or something first.
 
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Hacksaw said:
The narrative about Purdue being out-manned in this game was always a crock. It was a typical media talking point that was repeated over and over again without context.

Our roster was cratered before the season even began, as evidenced by the disparity in available scholarship players between Purdue and ourselves. We saw the effect of this throughout the season and how our lack of starting talent and depth cost us (despite the great effort by our new coach to overcome it). We lost our starting QB, our two best RBs, some of our most talented and experienced linemen, our most talented DB (by all accounts), our two best LBs (one of whom was arguably our best defensive player), etc., etc....

Then, of the players who remained, our best RB (portal), OL (injury) & DB (NFL combine prep) did not play vs. Purdue. But all they could talk about was how poor Purdue was at such a huge disadvantage.
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You need to explain this to @Nationdom….. you got any crayons? You’ll definitely need them.
 
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JoAllan said:
“What a program looks like”

You do know they went 2-4 last year…..right? With the same coach. (27 points per game)

You do understand they went 4-8 the year before…….with the same coach……right? (25 points per game)

Did you realize they went 6-7 the year before that too……right? With that coach. (30 points per game)

sure they had a good season, and sure because of a terrible officiating decision they won………but they are NOT some great……or even good “program.”……….also sure they have passed the ball well this season, but they are 127th in rushing O……..this is NOT what an amazing O looks like. Good for this ONE season (only in passing) but nothing amazing about it.

Maybe…….just maybe at least do some research or something first.
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You just made my point for me. Purdue elected to stay with this guy cause he’s a good coach. They beat two “top 5” teams this year & won 9 games vs a highly competitive schedule. They were a good football team despite what most Vol fans think. You make the case that it would have been easy to fire him after last year but they didn’t.

The purpose of my post was despite Purdue recruiting at a level in the 30s or higher, most likely, but thru a consistent offensive philosophy & S&C program they can develop good players ( 3 likely drafted before Tennessee’s first will be). Tennessee has had 4-5 different S&C coaches over the last 6 yrs, many with varying philosophies. The strength development has been lacking for several yrs here, mostly due to changing coaches, styles of play & S&C techniques.

Tennessee needs to stop the musical chairs & look at consistency in the program and if they do, Tennessee can achieve levels far greater than Purdue and other programs similar who are winning on consistent leadership in their programs.
 
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wmcovol said:
You just made my point for me. Purdue elected to stay with this guy cause he’s a good coach. They beat two “top 5” teams this year & won 9 games vs a highly competitive schedule. They were a good football team despite what most Vol fans think. You make the case that it would have been easy to fire him after last year but they didn’t.

The purpose of my post was despite Purdue recruiting at a level in the 30s or higher, most likely, but thru a consistent offensive philosophy & S&C program they can develop good players ( 3 likely drafted before Tennessee’s first will be). Tennessee has had 4-5 different S&C coaches over the last 6 yrs, many with varying philosophies. The strength development has been lacking for several yrs here, mostly due to changing coaches, styles of play & S&C techniques.

Tennessee needs to stop the musical chairs & look at consistency in the program and if they do, Tennessee can achieve levels far greater than Purdue and other programs similar who are winning on consistent leadership in their programs.
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I think many will agree with what you are saying in this post, however its where you ran off the rails with the "manhandled us on both sides of the ball" that you are getting your disagreements on. If gaining close to 700 yards of total offense is being "manhandled", then I hope we get manhandled alot next year.
 
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I hope Tennessee is greatly improved on 3rd & 4th downs with short yardage to gain next yr. That was a major key in that game IMO. Tennessee was 3-6 on 4th downs( HH saved one in OT with a great individual play) Tennessee also was short on several 3rd & short conversions where Purdue won. Those 4th down failures are like a turnover. Failure to extend drives exposes the defense to more series than they should have to play also.

On the other side, I think the Purdue OL provided great pass protection vs Tenn DL.
 
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