If you had it to do over again?

#26
#26
VolDad said:
But apparently you buy the theory that doing the same thing over and over will produce different results. Fulmer had 10 years.
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The question is (as the thread says), would we be better off now. Fulmer could have went 7-6 last year. (Easily I might add). For arguments sake, he could go 6-6 this year and we wouldnt be in a complete rebuild, IMO.
 
#28
#28
eyebleedorange said:
So did we have to win the SECCG appearances in 04 and 07 to be considered a bounce back?
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At least 1. CPF was kept on much like Hood was given command of the Army of Tennessee...on great accomplisments from the past....and the reigns ended similarly.
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#29
#29
ihateflorida said:
The question is (as the thread says), would we be better off now. Fulmer could have went 7-6 last year. (Easily I might add). For arguments sake, he could go 6-6 this year and we wouldnt be in a complete rebuild, IMO.
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All depends on the recruiting classes that Fulmer would pull there would be less attrition however.
 
#30
#30
eyebleedorange said:
So did we have to win the SECCG appearances in 04 and 07 to be considered a bounce back?
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That would have qualified. That is the mission for every season, so that would mean mission accomplished (even if the 2007 route was rather circuitous and improbable).
 
#34
#34
ihateflorida said:
The question is (as the thread says), would we be better off now. Fulmer could have went 7-6 last year. (Easily I might add). For arguments sake, he could go 6-6 this year and we wouldnt be in a complete rebuild, IMO.
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That is hysterical. So Fulmer loses (with a more talented 2008 squad) to a UCLA team with it's entire OL out with injury, a piece of garbage at QB, and a win total about half of what the 2009 Bruins had. And yet, he'd have beaten them in 2009. Do you recall how badly Spurrier abused Fulmer in 2008?
 
#36
#36
eyebleedorange said:
Some of those worthless loser would probably have helped last year and the linemen we lost would really help this year depth wise maybe not talent wise.
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Out of all of the "talent" that was forced out or walked away from the team in the last couple of years, please name a player who accomplished ANY modicum of success with their new team.
 
#37
#37
eyebleedorange said:
Some of those worthless loser would probably have helped last year and the linemen we lost would really help this year depth wise maybe not talent wise.
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Go back and look at why those guys quit. They weren't guys we needed.

And we're obviously doing plenty of rebuilding if our combined record over 2 years is 11-13. Throw in that Fulmer's recruiting classes following bad seasons has been awful...
 
#38
#38
"If I had to do it all over again?"

Well, I would say that these are the top five criteria for me as a Tennessee fan:

1. Coaching experience in the SEC preferred, an immediate understanding and embracing of Tennessee Football History and it's traditions, and a resume of winning at the highest level.

2. A dynamic recruiter, able to compete with any other program in the country for the top athletes, while filling positions of need.

3. An executive with ability to hire, coordinate, and replace the best possible assistant football coaches in the country.

4. Proven success in developing young talent into productive football players, while maintaining depth, discipline, and high academic achievement.

5. A high level of skill required for media relations, fan support, and promoting the Tennessee Brand.

Of all the hires in modern Tennessee football history, how would you rank the coaches when compared to my top 5 criteria?

Choices are:
Dooley
Kiffin
Fulmer
Majors
Battle
Dickey
 
#39
#39
Probably Majors, if you were for some reason applying equal weight to all 5 of those criteria. He's the only one that fits all of them.
 
#40
#40
Im not saying we would be winning championships at this point. I just think we would be better than we are at this point. Again, I was ready for a change, now im second guessing myself a little. GBO and go Dooley!
 
#41
#41
Henry Knox said:
"If I had to do it all over again?"

Well, I would say that these are the top five criteria for me as a Tennessee fan:

1. Coaching experience in the SEC preferred, an immediate understanding and embracing of Tennessee Football History and it's traditions, and a resume of winning at the highest level.

2. A dynamic recruiter, able to compete with any other program in the country for the top athletes, while filling positions of need.

3. An executive with ability to hire, coordinate, and replace the best possible assistant football coaches in the country.

4. Proven success in developing young talent into productive football players, while maintaining depth, discipline, and high academic achievement.

5. A high level of skill required for media relations, fan support, and promoting the Tennessee Brand.

Of all the hires in modern Tennessee football history, how would you rank the coaches when compared to my top 5 criteria?

Choices are:
Dooley
Kiffin
Fulmer
Majors
Battle
Dickey
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Why those criteria? Why not rank them based on who was most likely to win championships in the years ahead?
 
#42
#42
kptvol said:
Go back and look at why those guys quit. They weren't guys we needed.
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Your right we dont need them if they are dont bleed orange but I just saying "if" fulmer was still here (which I have stated several times i wanted him out) we would probably not be so thin in the areas we are now. And no I dont think that we would have won as many games as we did last year with Fulmer because of staff and the players attitude towards him.
 
#43
#43
We went from calling 9 and 10 win seasons "mediocre" to praying for 6-6. A definite improvement, at least by kptvol's standards.
 
#46
#46
kptvol said:
Probably Majors, if you were for some reason applying equal weight to all 5 of those criteria. He's the only one that fits all of them.
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Is that a joke? so why was he such a disaster at Pitt without a Jackie Sherrill or a Phil Fulmer as coordinator and lead recruiter? Do you even remember how horribly coached our offense was for 6 straight seasons at the beginning of Majors' career? Do you remember how many erratic seasons we had under Majors? And Majors had nobody but the Bear to compete with in coaching -- where was what, 1-and-forever?
 
#48
#48
ihateflorida said:
Im not saying we would be winning championships at this point. I just think we would be better than we are at this point. Again, I was ready for a change, now im second guessing myself a little. GBO and go Dooley!
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Why? You think Fulmer would hire a good offensive coordinator for 2009? Is that based on his pathetic hiring record, or his ridiculous loyalty to obvious incompetents?
 
#49
#49
VegasVol said:
We went from calling 9 and 10 win seasons "mediocre" to praying for 6-6. A definite improvement, at least by kptvol's standards.
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Yeah, clearly a 10-win season was right around the corner. The Wyoming game was going to be the catalyst that vaulted the Vols back to national prominence.
 
#50
#50
VegasVol said:
Is that a joke? so why was he such a disaster at Pitt without a Jackie Sherrill or a Phil Fulmer as coordinator and lead recruiter? Do you even remember how horribly coached our offense was for 6 straight seasons at the beginning of Majors' career? Do you remember how many erratic seasons we had under Majors? And Majors had nobody but the Bear to compete with in coaching -- where was what, 1-and-forever?
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I didn't say it was a good option, I said he fits all five criteria. I don't think those are very good criteria.
 
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