"If you don't vote, you have no right to complain..."

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615 Vol said:
Hey, Gore invinted the Internet. :)

I agree with all that, Gore has shifted far to the left from what he was. I agree that he got to where he was because of his dad also. I was just bringing up that experience isn't always an indicator of who should get the job. I brought up Gore because many people that have a problem with Obama's lack of experience didn't feel the same way when given the option between W. and Gore.
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but W had been a governor, which is chief executive work. Obama has been nothing of the sort.
 
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615 Vol said:
I agree it hasn't been successful but Obama and Bush are complete opposites. I have a hard time finding anything from the Bush Admin. to compare with an Obama Admin.
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Making decisions on the war without listening to the commanders on the ground? Spending like a drunken sailor on leave?
 
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615 Vol said:
Hey, Gore invinted the Internet. :)

I agree with all that, Gore has shifted far to the left from what he was. I agree that he got to where he was because of his dad also. I was just bringing up that experience isn't always an indicator of who should get the job. I brought up Gore because many people that have a problem with Obama's lack of experience didn't feel the same way when given the option between W. and Gore.
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Many who voted for Bush would now admit that was a mistake. Repubs made the mistake so now you think Dems are due for one also?
 
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KB5252 said:
Many who voted for Bush would now admit that was a mistake. Repubs made the mistake so now you think Dems are due for one also?
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No, I'm not voting for Obama because I think it's revenge for Bush getting elected. I think he is the best option for our country.
 
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KB5252 said:
Many who voted for Bush would now admit that was a mistake. Repubs made the mistake so now you think Dems are due for one also?
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They would? I doubt many would, the competition he was running against did not change did it?
 
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allvol123 said:
They would? I doubt many would, the competition he was running against did not change did it?
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Just judging by the polls. I personally did not like Bush to begin with but thought he was better than Gore. With Bush's poll numbers down so much because of his spending and his failure to listen to his commanders on the battlefield I wonder just how many people would reconsider. You do bring up a good point though. the option was "Al, Buy Your Carbon Credits Gore".
 
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KB5252 said:
Making decisions on the war without listening to the commanders on the ground? Spending like a drunken sailor on leave?
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It would be hard to find a commander, under Bush, that would go public agreeing with Obama right now. It wouldn't go over too well for Gen.Patraeus to tell the media that we should withdrawl our troops and get out of Iraq. I don't think Obama will spend like Bush did either.
 
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615 Vol said:
I don't think Obama will spend like Bush did either.
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Seriously? The only reduction in spending I could see from Obama is war spending but even that wouldn't occur significantly until his 3rd year in office. Add to that his long list of initiatives all of which require an increase in existing or the creation of new spending.
 
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KB5252 said:
Just judging by the polls. I personally did not like Bush to begin with but thought he was better than Gore. With Bush's poll numbers down so much because of his spending and his failure to listen to his commanders on the battlefield I wonder just how many people would reconsider. You do bring up a good point though. the option was "Al, Buy Your Carbon Credits Gore".
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That's just it, you voted for Bush because you thought he was the best option. I am voting for Obama because I think he is our best option this time.
 
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Taking care of your children from 0-5, universal healthcare, on and on. Yea, these should more than cost a pretty penny.
 
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615 Vol said:
It would be hard to find a commander, under Bush, that would go public agreeing with Obama right now. It wouldn't go over too well for Gen.Patraeus to tell the media that we should withdrawl our troops and get out of Iraq. So you think Patraeus is towing the party line? I doubt doubt it, he will ask for what ever he needs to get the job done.. I don't think Obama will spend like Bush did either.
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How else will he pay for socialized medicine and the other programs?

See above.
 
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volinbham said:
Seriously? The only reduction in spending I could see from Obama is war spending but even that wouldn't occur significantly until his 3rd year in office. Add to that his long list of initiatives all of which require an increase in existing or the creation of new spending.
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He plans on taxing the hell out of you to pay for that stuff. :)
 
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615 Vol said:
That's just it, you voted for Bush because you thought he was the best option. I am voting for Obama because I think he is our best option this time.
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Wrong, I never said I voted for Bush. To be fair I didn't vote for Al either. If I could have I would have voted for Bush though.
 
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KB5252 said:
How else will he pay for socialized medicine and the other programs?

See above.
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I don't think he is towing party lines but he can't go to the media and tell them we should get out of Iraq. He might tell Bush that behind closed doors but we'll never know, and shouldn't. I don't see us going to universal healthcare, every Republican promises to end abortion too.
 
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615 Vol said:
I don't think he is towing party lines but he can't go to the media and tell them we should get out of Iraq. He might tell Bush that behind closed doors but we'll never know, and shouldn't. I don't see us going to universal healthcare, every Republican promises to end abortion too.
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Couldn't be further from the truth!
 
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615 Vol said:
I don't think he is towing party lines but he can't go to the media and tell them we should get out of Iraq. He might tell Bush that behind closed doors but we'll never know, and shouldn't. I don't see us going to universal healthcare, every Republican promises to end abortion too.
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From an Obama speech given 01/25/07

In the 2008 campaign, affordable, universal health care for every single American must not be a question of whether, it must be a question of how. We have the ideas, we have the resources, and we will have universal health care in this country by the end of the next president's first term.
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But you want to vote for him, huh?
 
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allvol123 said:
From an Obama speech given 01/25/07



But you want to vote for him, huh?
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Every Dem runs on universal health care, when is the last time we had it? I don't like any party enough to agree on everything. It's like religion, I don't agree with my church on every issue but I have one I agree with a lot. I like Obama because, (don't kill me here), but I don't think 'trickle-down economics' is the answer, I think building the economy from the middle and lesser income brackets up is better than building it from the top down. I think too many people turn big tax breaks into increased profit rather than increased pay for their employees. Look at people that have had the same job for 20 or 30 years, do they only get decent pay raises when a Republican takes office? I don't have a problem with drilling for oil in Alaska but we should have got started on alternate energy sources yesterday. We can't remain dependent on oil at the level we do now. I am against privatizing social security, not because I wouldn't prefer it but what happens to the people that chose not to participate, we'll pay for them anyway. I don't worry about social issues, they never change, I prefer more liberal to moderate people on the Supreme Court that Obama would appoint compared to McCain. I think Obama could provide the type of leadership that is not afraid to use the people around him instead of acting like a sheriff in the wild west. I like the idea of letting churches provide welfare, something Obama also supports. I feel like I am against free trade but the world is changing to the point it might be necessary. I am open to anyone that has a good view of free trade.
 
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615 Vol said:
I like Obama because, (don't kill me here), but I don't think 'trickle-down economics' is the answer, I think building the economy from the middle and lesser income brackets up is better than building it from the top down.
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How does that work? It's not a real good chicken or egg argument. The cycle has a definite starting point.
 
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615 Vol said:
Every Dem runs on universal health care, when is the last time we had it? .
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The point is, if you disagree with UHC, this seems illogical to vote for him. If you're worried about spending, this item is going to cost a pretty penny. He will be a D president with a D congress for likely 2 years. We are already running in this direction of UHC and will launch into a sprint if Obama wins.
 
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KB5252 said:
Couldn't be further from the truth!
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OK, let me rephrase that, many conservatives use abortion as an issue to pull at the heart strings of their christian based supporters. They run on a platform that abortion should be illegal and make it a hot issue while pointing out that the Dem they are running against is pro-choice. Once the conservative wins the election we don't hear about abortion again until the card is pulled for the next election. I am pro-life for the record but why should I vote for someone that does nothing about the issue? As I said before I don't agree with Dems in all areas, this is one of them.
 
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615 Vol said:
OK, let me rephrase that, many conservatives use abortion as an issue to pull at the heart strings of their christian based supporters. They run on a platform that abortion should be illegal and make it a hot issue while pointing out that the Dem they are running against is pro-choice. Once the conservative wins the election we don't hear about abortion again until the card is pulled for the next election. I am pro-life for the record but why should I vote for someone that does nothing about the issue? As I said before I don't agree with Dems in all areas, this is one of them.
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You are on track now. It does bother me that repubs use this platform knowing there is absolutely no possibility of delivering.
 
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