If You Could Change the Outcome of One Play.........

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kptvol said:
The blocking foul that caused UF to have a TD called back was just as bad of a blown call. Also, I don't know how well Ainge would have done against LSU. Erik was already gimpy when he took the field against South Carolina. With the heat LSU was bringing that day an immobile Ainge would probably have been taken out fairly early, anyway.
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Good point. I forgot we wasn't doing great anyways.

Either way, if he doesn't take the tackle, he probably is good for the Arky game.

Still should have been in the 2006 SEC Championship. I know all the Fulmer haters will say "Sounds something just like Fulmer would say" but if the refs don't miss those two calls, there's a (outside) chance we have a 2006 national title.
 
#127
#127
WiseOlVol said:
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How many times in '05 did UT's line come up snake eyes on 3rd and 5? More often than not. Why? Because (as usual) we had two slow-footed QBs in the backfield and opponents blitzed at will.

Schaeffer, like Holloway (and Tebow), had the legs to steal a lot of 1st downs.

I didn't say he was the every-down QB or any "savior."

9-2.
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He had legs to make moves. Too bad our coaching staff immediately ran a designed QB run play the moment he was inserted, which is exactly what defenses were expecting. He'd have been borderline useless.
 
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The Waco Kid said:
With all due respect, that 2001 Miami team you guys would have had to play is probably in the top 3 of greatest college football teams of all time............and many have them #1.
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I can't imagine beating them, but it would have been a good game. They weren't completely unbeatable. They had a couple close calls.
 
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#129
#129
kptvol said:
You have entered the world of utgibbs.
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9-2 changes EVERYTHING.

Orgeron was coaching Ole Miss, not Fulmer's UT squad. No comparison.

Schaeffer only has to make 8-10 plays across 4 games. He could have done that in his sleep.
 
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zjcvols said:
Good point. I forgot we wasn't doing great anyways.

Either way, if he doesn't take the tackle, he probably is good for the Arky game.

Still should have been in the 2006 SEC Championship. I know all the Fulmer haters will say "Sounds something just like Fulmer would say" but if the refs don't miss those two calls, there's a (outside) chance we have a 2006 national title.
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It's a pretty far outside shot. We'd have to beat Arkansas, a team that absolutely murdered us, in a venue that's pretty much cursed for the Vols.
 
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WiseOlVol said:
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9-2 changes EVERYTHING.

Orgeron was coaching Ole Miss, not Fulmer's UT squad. No comparison.

Schaeffer only has to make 8-10 plays across 4 games. He could have done that in his sleep.
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It's a good thing, because he was sleeping through most of the QB-OC meetings.

It sure would have been fun to watch the 2006 season without Cutcliffe. No defense, no offense. Fun times.
 
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kptvol said:
He had legs to make moves. Too bad our coaching staff immediately ran a designed QB run play the moment he was inserted, which is exactly what defenses were expecting. He'd have been borderline useless.
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In '06 Tebow was in the game for one reason.

Everybody knew it and nobody could stop him.

Schaeffer beats him by 3 steps in a 40.
 
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WiseOlVol said:
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In '06 Tebow was in the game for one reason.

Everybody knew it and nobody could stop him.

Schaeffer beats him by 3 steps in a 40.
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Tebow was brought in because UF had a big strong OL and they needed one more big guy to run right into the maw and fall forward 2 feet. That's not something Brent could do.
 
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WiseOlVol said:
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In '06 Tebow was in the game for one reason.

Everybody knew it and nobody could stop him.

Schaeffer beats him by 3 steps in a 40.
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yet have Tebow and Schaeffer meet a LB and see which one gets up. Tebow was built like a FB so it's not really a comparison
 
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utvolpj said:
yet have Tebow and Schaeffer meet a LB and see which one gets up. Tebow was built like a FB so it's not really a comparison
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Should have put Lucas Taylor at OT. No DE would ever be fast enough to get around him.
 
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kptvol said:
It's a pretty far outside shot. We'd have to beat Arkansas, a team that absolutely murdered us, in a venue that's pretty much cursed for the Vols.
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Like I said, outside chance.

I wish Ainge would have been healthy for the 2006 Arky game. I'd be curious to see if we could have made the game closer.

The more I think about it, the more 2006 becomes miserable.
 
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zjcvols said:
Like I said, outside chance.

I wish Ainge would have been healthy for the 2006 Arky game. I'd be curious to see if we could have made the game closer.

The more I think about it, the more 2006 becomes miserable.
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Unless by playing he would have discovered the secret to stopping the Wildcat and relayed it to Chavis, I don't think anything changes.
 
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zjcvols said:
Like I said, outside chance.

I wish Ainge would have been healthy for the 2006 Arky game. I'd be curious to see if we could have made the game closer.

The more I think about it, the more 2006 becomes miserable.
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Hate to be a Debbie Downer, but I don't think Ainge makes too much difference. Chris Houston had Meachem on lockdown and the Arkansas DL manhandled our guys. Also, we had virtually nothing at DT. Even if our offense had been able to perform, the rushing attack would have ground us down and ran out the clock.
 
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kptvol said:
Not exactly top secret info.
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OK.

If you guys are sure the either because of bad play calling or a bad OL, BS could not have picked up a few 1st downs in '05, or that a few 1st downs in games decided by inches wouldn't make any difference, then I'm sure you're right that his speed and athleticism would add nothing and have no affect on the outcome of games.

I withdraw my contention.
 
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You're also ignoring the fact that teams were running conservative offenses because they knew that if they didn't give our D a lucky break scoring 17 points would assure victory. Increasing our offensive potency results in a similar increase on the other sideline.
 
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kptvol said:
You're also ignoring the fact that teams were running conservative offenses because they knew that if they didn't give our D a lucky break scoring 17 points would assure victory. Increasing our offensive potency results in a similar increase on the other sideline.
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1. Alabama's 05 team had nothing, on the field or on the bench.
2. Ditto S.Car.
3. Vandy (Cutler) threw everything they had at UT for 60 minutes.
 
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The Waco Kid said:
With all due respect, that 2001 Miami team you guys would have had to play is probably in the top 3 of greatest college football teams of all time............and many have them #1.
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He doesn't speak for all vol fans there. Again, that Miami team was most talented team EVER. 10 of 11 starters on defense were drafted. Only one who wasn't was their starting MLB who was sadly killed in a car accident that summer, but he may have been best player on their defense.

Also again, as talented as they were, any Larry Coker coached team is beatable....
 
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#145
LSU game last year. I am old enough to remember most of the games discussed already (save the 67 game), but for me, last years game is the one I would change.

I think it would have been difficult to overstate the impact that a win against LSU would have had at that point. Our team was so fragile, more so than probably any time in history) and I think that it was very difficult for them to take. It would have been better to have just lost by a couple of touchdowns than to have endured that gut-wrenching loss. Bad loss. Bad timing.

On the other hand, while we have had some bad luck, it is hard to argue that we were not the beneficiaries of some serious luck in 98. The Arky game. I mean seriously. With a minute and a half left and all they had to do was kill some time and dude puts the ball on the ground. Then, every team in front of us in the polls lose over the next few weeks.
 
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#146
good thread.

09 Bama or the NC play where Janzen tried to kill him.

Both of those had an effect on where we are going, I just assume leave past in the past.
 
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WiseOlVol said:
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1. Alabama's 05 team had nothing, on the field or on the bench.
2. Ditto S.Car.
3. Vandy (Cutler) threw everything they had at UT for 60 minutes.
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DJ Hall had 140 yards. Bama also had a very solid defense. Hard to believe Brent Shaeffer is going to tear them a new one. I don't know that the 37 yards rushing he had against them for Ole Miss would have made that much difference for us.

Similar situation against SC, with Sydney Rice being the dominator. Vandy also threw everything they had at MTSU earlier that year and lost.
 
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Ten_Titans said:
good thread.

09 Bama or the NC play where Janzen tried to kill him.

Both of those had an effect on where we are going, I just assume leave past in the past.
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That flag on Janzen was nearly as ridiculous as the officiating in the final 4 seconds.
 
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#150
09 Bama was pretty sickening. Kicking the football into Mt Cody's armpit twice.
Mainge suddenly thinking LSU's db's needed catching drills run to them in the 4th quarter was another 2007SCG..
2006 Pat on the head of Leak that won the game for them.

There are countless others. It's about time lady luck smiled on the Vols , i'm starting to think she doesn't like us much.
 
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